Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion "Did Jesus Really Heal People" SemiAnnualChick raises the question, "If Jesus healed people in biblical times, why doesn't he heal them now? I'm not talking about someone that was prayed for & claims a healing. I'm talking about someone that came out of their death bed healed, a blind person with sight restored, the kind of healings that are seen & can't be denied. I would love for someone to show me that Jesus is real & erase all doubt from my mind. Show me that the Bible isn't just a book written & made up by some people thousands of years ago."

And, Al Williams quickly jumps in offering his New Age bible, the Urantia Book, "Just pick up and read part IV of the Urantia book for the straight scoop. It will illuminate for you the reasons why the bible is an incomplete picture of the life of this amazing individual. It will fill in the blanks, answer the questions and give you a better picture of who Jesus was. Then you can draw your own conclusions. It's kinda long though."

Chick, you say, "I'm talking about someone that came out of their death bed healed, a blind person with sight restored, the kind of healings that are seen & can't be denied.

Jesus replies, "Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe" (John 4:48).

In the Old Testament, God sent prophets through whom He gave His revelations and messages to His chosen people, Israel.

In the New Testament, Jesus taught using parables and actions. His raising his Friend, Lazarus, from the dead was to glorify God (John 11:4). He taught us of the coming resurrection of Himself and all people in John 11:17-27. In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus uses the true story of the poor man, Lazarus, and the rich man to teach that there truly is a real heaven and a real hell.

Jesus used the parable of the Pharisee and the publican, in Luke 18:9-14, to teach us that we should approach the throne of God in humble prayer -- not seeking self aggrandizement or self promotion.

But, then, with the writing of the God inspired books of the Bible -- and bringing them together into one Bible; God has given us His Written Word. So, there is no more need for signs and miracles; for we have His inspired Written Word to teach us and to guide us. John 20:30-31 tells us, "Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name."

Yet, Chick, this does not mean that God is no longer in the healing business. Divine healing happens every day. We just have to recognize and believe it. My Friend, Lolita Mueller, who, by all earthly means -- should have died within weeks because her body was totally filled with cancer. Yet, God gave her seven more very productive years. She used those seven years to serve Him. The first year doing office work for our church; the last six directing our church choir.

This kind of divine healing God performs every day. But, don't look for it on highly publicized television shows. Look for His divine healing in the quite of your prayer room, in the fellowship of your Bible study, in the strength of your church worship service. God is still in the healing business; but, He is not and never will be -- in show business. God gives us His divine healing -- not a carnival show.

Now, to address my Friend, Al, and his New Age Urantia Book bible. Chick can find nothing of substance in your New Age Urantia Book bible; which was not even written until the late 1950s. There are many books of false teachings written by those who would lead people astray -- but, there is ONLY ONE GOD INSPIRED BIBLE and it was authored by God, the Holy Spirit. Your New Age Urantia Book bible will lead people down only one path, the path of eternal loss and destruction.

Al, if you do not yet own a Bible, I would highly recommend you get one and discard your New Age bible. Then, you can learn of the real Jesus Christ, the One who died on the cross to pay your and my death penalty debt; the One who is, today, standing at the door of your heart waiting for you to open the door and invite Him to come in so that He can be your personal Lord and Savior
(Revelation 3:20). You will not find Him in your Urantia Book. There you will find only a false Jesus -- and being a false Jesus, I guess he could be called an antichrist.

In Matthew 24:24 we are told by Jesus Christ, "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." And, I would imagine many of them will be offering folks their bible which teaches their false religion.

Al and Chick, the Jesus Christ of the Bible is real and alive today, and He wants to be your personal Lord and Savior. All you have to do is to open the door and invite Him to come in.

Chick, you say, "I would love for someone to show me that Jesus is real & erase all doubt from my mind. Show me that the Bible isn't just a book written & made up by some people thousands of years ago."

If you truly want to know Jesus Christ, you need to take a step of faith also. If you will notice, in Revelation 3:20, Jesus tells us that He is standing at the door of your heart and knocking. But, that door can only be opened from the inside. There is no door knob on Jesus' side of the door -- He is waiting for YOU to invite Him in. When you do, He will become your best Friend; He will dine with you. In other words, He will become your most intimate Friend. In the Jewish culture in the days of Jesus' earthly ministry; the most intimate thing people could do was to eat a meal with their friends. Jesus is waiting to dine with you. But, because God gave you free will; YOU have to open the door.

Jesus came so that, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- we might attain salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, how did the people of the Old Testament, who were before the time of Jesus, attain salvation? In Hebrews 11:1, we read, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."

And, in Hebrews 11:2, we confirm, "For by it the men of old gained approval." They gained salvation.

Throughout Hebrews 11, we read, "By faith, Abel" -- "By faith, Noah" -- "By faith, Abraham" -- and on and on. The people of the Old Testament, like people today -- gained salvation through FAITH. They knew their Messiah was coming to save them; we know that our Savior came and died on the cross to save us -- if we put our FAITH in Him.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Q. Why Doesn't Jesus Heal Today?


A. He can't. Don't you think he would if he could? I mean he supposedly created 100 billion (plus) galaxies that we mere mortals can see with our crude Hubble telescope. In comparison, healing a suffering human would be minuscule.

Regards

the healing came from faith and still does

I've seen some healed who were on their deathbeds. They were healed by faith and prayers. I've also seen those healed by death. Think of those people you know who are suffering through a painful illness. Death is healing for them; it is their chance to go home, to be without pain, and to be at peace.

Ah, and yet not one ounce of scientific evidence to backup that whole "healed from faith and prayers" thing.

Sadly, people make far too much of the healing incidents which interspersed the life of Jesus. These incidents were incidental and fairly inconsequential as far as his overall mission was (and is) concerned. The Master did not bestow him self in mortal incarnate to perform miracles for a miracle minded and sign seeking people. Although these incidents did actually take place, they were, in fact more of a hindrance than a boon to his mission.

The mission of Jesus was to reveal the Father to mankind. And this he did. If you study the life of Jesus as I have, you will witness the amazing transformation of a man, born naturally of a woman, finding and realizing his inner divine nature. The creator of a universe, bestowing himself for the 7th and final time, as man, the lowest form of intelligent life which can comprehend and worship God.

In the life of Jesus you can behold Man, reaching up and finding God to the fullest of his satisfaction. And in this same life, there is God, reaching down and finding Man, again to his fullest satisfaction.

And yes, the miracles did occur. When the creature comes into intimate contact with the creator and exhibits that faith which so touches the creator, then that which is the will of the creator IS.

But now Jesus has left this world to take up the rule of this local universe which he created. So such physical miracles are no longer possible. But when he left, he poured out his Spirit of Truth upon all Mankind as a guiding light towards life eternal.

This I truly believe.

Jesus and the apostles healed the sick and worked Miracles to prove or confirm the word, they had brought a new Doctrine to the Jews and they had to try to prove that it was from God. they could lay their hands on other Desciples and give them the power to heal but that person couldn't pass it on, so therefore when the Apostles were all killed and the desciples that had the power all died then healing and Miracles ended.

as far as Jesus healing today, he can if he wants to, he doesn't work like we do, we expect results right away but he does things in his own time and his own way.

Hi Al,

One thing I will credit you with; you and your New Age bible do give me plenty of opportunities to share the truth of the Bible with our Forum Friends.

You tell us, "Sadly, people make far too much of the healing incidents which interspersed the life of Jesus. These incidents were incidental and fairly inconsequential as far as his overall mission was (and is) concerned. The Master did not bestow him self in mortal incarnate to perform miracles for a miracle minded and sign seeking people. Although these incidents did actually take place, they were, in fact more of a hindrance than a boon to his mission."

I would venture an educated guess that Jesus did not see the raising of Lazarus from the dead -- as a hindrance. In John 11:4, He told His disciples, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified by it."

When Jesus fed the 5000 and later the 4000, I do not believe He saw this as a hindrance -- but, a manifestation of His love.

When He healed the paralytic (Luke 5:17-26) -- it was not a hindrance, but a way to show that He, God, could forgive the sins of man.

When He healed the woman woman who had been hemorrhaging for twelve years -- it was to demonstrate the power of faith.

Many miracles Jesus Christ did as a way of teaching us.

Al, you really have lost me on this one, when you say, "The mission of Jesus was to reveal the Father to mankind. And this he did. If you study the life of Jesus as I have, you will witness the amazing transformation of a man, born naturally of a woman, finding and realizing his inner divine nature. The creator of a universe, bestowing himself for the 7th and final time, as man, the lowest form of intelligent life which can comprehend and worship God."

I gather from this that you are saying that Jesus Christ incarnated as man SEVEN TIMES. I know of one time -- and that is all you will find in the Bible. Where do you find the other six incarnations?

Once again, I have to ask you to explain your statement, when you say, "In the life of Jesus you can behold Man, reaching up and finding God to the fullest of his satisfaction. And in this same life, there is God, reaching down and finding Man, again to his fullest satisfaction."

Jesus was fully Man and fully God. He did not have to reach up to find God; He is God. Yes, He spent much time in prayer to the Father -- but, He did not need to reach up to find God -- nor did God have to reach down to find Jesus, the Man.

Then, you say, "But now Jesus has left this world to take up the rule of this local universe which he created. So such physical miracles are no longer possible. But when he left, he poured out his Spirit of Truth upon all Mankind as a guiding light towards life eternal."

Jesus does not rule the earth today; Adam gave the title deed of earth to Satan. Jesus will return and toss Satan into the abyss as He does take control of earth and establishes His Millennial Kingdom on earth.

Have the divine miracles stopped? No, they continue today. I have witnessed His divine healing -- on a friend and on myself. I have witnessed His divine hand on circumstances in my life which can only be explained as the hand of God. Yes, Jesus is still in the miracle business today.

Finally, you tell us, "This I truly believe."

I don't doubt that. Yet, as the apostle Paul taught Timothy, and us, in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but {wanting} to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

My Friend, you have been having your ears tickled to much by the New Age rhetoric of the Urantia Book -- and have turned aside to myths. You need to get into the one book which will never fail you -- the Word of God, the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Divine healing happens every day. We just have to recognize and believe it. My Friend, Lolita Mueller, who, by all earthly means -- should have died within weeks because her body was totally filled with cancer. Yet, God gave her seven more very productive years. She used those seven years to serve Him.
Bill

Divine healing happens every day.....Where?
have to recognize and believe it? If I see someone healed from their death bed or a blind person's site restored, there will not be a "have" to. It would be right in front of my eyes.
If your friend's body was filled with cancer, why did God not take the cancer away? Why would he chose to let her live those remaining years with pain?
It's such a simple thing for me to want to know but no one can answer my question.
This explanation of "divine healing" someone mentioned? That's a cop out. I want to see God heal someone, but not thru a death healing.
I want to know "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that he exist & not just go on "faith".

If I'm about to fall into a river that I don't see, (I can't swim) & someone says stop, there's a river in front of you, I have to have faith that person is telling me the truth.
If I see the river, my faith that the river is there is by seeing it with my own eyes, not the word of someone else.

Hi Chick,

In my earlier post, I wrote, "Divine healing happens every day. We just have to recognize and believe it. My Friend, Lolita Mueller, who, by all earthly means -- should have died within weeks because her body was totally filled with cancer. Yet, God gave her seven more very productive years. She used those seven years to serve Him."

And, you asked, "Divine healing happens every day.....Where? have to recognize and believe it? If I see someone healed from their death bed or a blind person's site restored, there will not be a "have" to. It would be right in front of my eyes. If your friend's body was filled with cancer, why did God not take the cancer away? Why would he chose to let her live those remaining years with pain? It's such a simple thing for me to want to know but no one can answer my question."

Who said she was living in pain? For most of those seven years, she was in remission. Those six years she directed our choir; she was a very happy woman. Many folks cannot say that -- even without cancer.

Then you declare, "This explanation of "divine healing" someone mentioned? That's a cop out. I want to see God heal someone, but not through a death healing. I want to know "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that he exist & not just go on 'faith'."

In other words, you want God to appear to you in person -- or you will not believe. God does not work that way. In Hebrews 11:1, we are told, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."

And, we are assured in Hebrews 11:2, "For by it the men of old gained approval." In other words, the Old Testament people who, by faith, believed in their coming Messiah -- were saved. Throughout Hebrews 11, we read of many who "by faith" were saved.

We are told in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

In the Bible, after Jesus had been baptized by John the Baptist, He went into the wilderness for forty days. At the end of this forty days, Satan tried to tempt Jesus by offering him all the kingdoms on earth. Keep in mind that, when Adam sinned through disobedience, he gave the title deed to earth to Satan, this is his kingdom for now. And, he offered all this to Jesus, if Jesus would only worship him. We read the response Jesus gave Satan, in Luke 4:12, "And Jesus answered and said to him, 'It is said, "You shall not put the Lord your God to the test."'"

Chick, you are trying to test God -- instead of, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ -- believing and receiving salvation and eternal security (John 1:12).

Finally, Chick, you tell me, "If I'm about to fall into a river that I don't see, (I can't swim) & someone says stop, there's a river in front of you, I have to have faith that person is telling me the truth. If I see the river, my faith that the river is there is by seeing it with my own eyes, not the word of someone else."

If a person were to approach you and tell you that, if you will walk down the block, turn the corner, and shake the hand of the homeless man you see there; you will be given one billion dollars -- would you do it? Or would you tell this person, "I can't see the money or the homeless man; so, I am not going to believe you."

I feel quite certain that, if only for speculation, you WILL walk to the corner, turn the corner, and look for that homeless man.

Yet, God promises you treasures untold, a mansion in heaven with Him, if only, by the grace He gives you, you will by faith believe in Jesus Christ and invite Him to be your personal Lord and Savior. And, you keep telling Him, "Show me!"

That is not the faith which saved Abraham; that is not the faith which saved billions of people over thousands of years -- and that is not the faith which will save you. However, a simple, sincere, "Yes, Lord, I believe. And, I want you to be Master of my life" -- will give you eternal salvation -- and those treasures untold, along with a mansion in heaven.

Chick, I have told you of the divine healing God gave my Friend, Lolita. He has done the same for me. About eight years ago, Dory and I were helping our pastor lead a Wednesday morning Bible study in a local seniors apartment complex. One of the men, Frank, had several large, black growths on his face and the doctors had already determined that they were cancerous.

A week or so later, Dory and I noticed a black growth on my right temple which looked exactly like those on Frank's face. It scared us and she told me that I had to see a doctor. That night, I lay in bed, placed my finger on that growth -- and asked God to please remove it. After I had prayed this, I felt a warmth come over me -- and I knew, beyond any doubt, that God had answered, "Yes, I will remove it." I was totally at peace, rolled over, and slept like a baby.

The next day, the growth was slightly smaller; the following day, still smaller -- and, on the fourth day -- it was gone completely, leaving only a scar. It has never returned. How did this happen? God did it. Why did He do it in four days instead of instantly? I have no idea; His thoughts are much higher than mine (Isaiah 55:8-9).

About fifteen years ago, I had been unemployed for over a year. It was the last day of the month and rent was due the following day. Dory and I had $5 -- and no idea how we would pay our rent. At 3:00 PM, I went into my bedroom, lay on the bed, and prayed. My prayer was very simple and direct: "Lord, please give us a way to pay our rent."

The next morning, my mom, who still lived in Alabama, called me and told me, "Yesterday, I was taking a bath and suddenly felt that I wanted to send you money. I had your brother wire you $1000 this morning."

I asked her what time she was bathing. She told me 5:00 PM -- which is 3:00 PM California time -- exactly when I was praying.

My mother had no idea that I had this problem. I had not told her of my problems; for because of her health I did not want her to be under stress from worrying about me. As far as she knew, I was still doing well in my computer sales career.

So, how did this happen? God put it into her heart to send me money -- and she listened with questioning. She acted on faith.

On faith, I asked God for money to pay my rent, $750, and He gave me that -- plus money for utilities and food. In other words, He supplied my needs. Not my wants -- but, my needs.

Chick, I have seen God work so often in my life and in the lives of my Friends -- that there is no way that I could ever doubt Him.

He will work in your life the same way -- if you will only put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ. I pray that you will, on faith, put yourself in His hands, trust Him, and follow Him. He promises you much greater treasures than shaking the hand of that homeless man could ever give you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill Gray:
“Chick, you are trying to test God -- instead of, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ -- believing and receiving salvation and eternal security”

If you call my asking to know that he’s real “testing God”, that’s your opinion.
We all have one.

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Bill Gray:
“I feel quite certain that, if only for speculation, you WILL walk to the corner, turn the corner, and look for that homeless man.”

No, I would not walk to the corner, turn, & look for him. I have more sense than that.

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Bill Gray:
if you will only put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ.

Been there, Done that…….didn’t work. How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?
And then, there’s people like you that turn me off to it. You call yourself a Christian but I don’t hear love in the tone of any of your post. You are very judgmental & cruel to people.

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Bill Gray:
“He promises you much greater treasures than shaking the hand of that homeless man could ever give you.”

I wouldn’t shake hands with the homeless man.

Hi Chick,

In my earlier post, I suggested to you, "Chick, you are trying to test God -- instead of, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ -- believing and receiving salvation and eternal security”

And, you respond,"If you call my asking to know that He’s real “testing God”, that’s your opinion. We all have one."

There is quite a difference between asking how one might know God is real -- and demanding He report "front and center" to you in person. God gives ample proof of His existence to all who truly want to meet Him. But, to those who only want to deny Him, so that they do not have to feel they are accountable to Him; He will not stop you. God gives everyone free will; free will to accept Him or free will to deny Him. What one does with this gift is up to the individual.

This I will say, for myself; I was not a Christian until I was fifty years old -- yet, I never doubted that God exists. I just did not want to allow Him to be Master of my life. That was a job I wanted to reserve just for myself. Yet, once I turned my life over to Him; I have seen what truly great management can accomplish -- especially when the CEO is God.

Then, I suggest to you, ". . .if you will only put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ."

And, you reply, "Been there, Done that…….didn’t work. How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"

You are contradicting yourself here. First you reply to my suggestion, "put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ" -- by saying that you have done this, that you have put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ and it did not work.

And, then you ask, "How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"

So, I ask you, "Did you or did you not put your faith in Jesus Christ as you said in your first statement?'

Or, did you only try, make some level of attempt -- then, give up and walk away; as your second statement implies?

Chick, let me suggest that maybe you have made some efforts to know God, to know how to put your faith in Jesus Christ -- but, you did not finish the job. In the over fifty years Billy Graham has been doing Crusades, and in the over twenty years Greg Laurie has been doing Harvest Crusades -- there have been many thousands, maybe even millions, who have come forward at their altar calls. But, these evangelists do not call them "converts" -- they call them "inquirers."

Why do they do this? Because they realize that many folks come forward at altar calls for various reasons. Many come forward out of a sincere desire to know Jesus Christ; others come forward because their friend is going forward; others come forward out of sheer emotion. And, there may be other reasons. And, those who come forward are counseled, given material explaining what has happened to them, and guided toward a local church fellowship. Yet, many of these folks who have come forward; in the following days or weeks, when the world begins to close in on them again -- turn back to the world.

As Billy Graham explains (and I am paraphrasing), "After this person has been involved for several years in a local Christian fellowship; and has learned to walk on his new Christian legs -- then, we can call him a Christian convert." And, I agree with Billy Graham. Just coming forward at an altar call does not make one a Christian believer. It is what one does with this great opportunity which will make him/her a Christian believer. Does this imply that salvation is based upon their works? No. When a person sincerely asks Jesus Christ to come into his life and be his personal Lord and Savior -- that person has salvation. However, doing this sincerely -- versus doing it through "the emotion of the moment" are two entirely different things.

If one is sincere, he will make an effort to get involved with a local Christian fellowship and participate in worship and in Bible study in an effort to become a more mature Christian believer. If one is running only on emotion; tomorrow's problems will most likely pull him away.

So, Chick, when you say you have done this -- I have to suggest that you did not truly invite Jesus Christ to come into your life and be your Lord, Savior, and Master. I suspect you only cracked the door to peek out -- but, did not open it and invite Him in.

Next, you tell me, "And then, there’s people like you that turn me off to it. You call yourself a Christian but I don’t hear love in the tone of any of your post. You are very judgmental & cruel to people."

If you consider what I have told you in the paragraphs above to be unloving, judgmental, and cruel -- let me assure you that it is not. I tell you these things because I do love you with a Christian love and truly, sincerely, want to see you have eternal security in Jesus Christ. When you were young and your mother told you not to eat candy; it was not because she did not love you -- it was because she was concerned about your physical health; just as I am concerned about your spiritual health.

Chick, God is real. Proof of this is all around you. But, He will not drop a boulder on your head just to prove Himself. Yes, faith is very important. If you have the sincere faith to take that first step -- He will hold your hand and guide you the rest of the way. However, not even God can guide an object which is immobile, stationary, not moving. Have you ever tried to turn the wheels of a car which is not moving? Very hard; yet, once the car is moving, your power steering (spiritually, the Holy Spirit) takes over and makes the steering much easier. Why not allow Him to guide and steer, to pilot, your life?

And, Jesus Christ is patiently standing at the door of your heart, waiting for YOU to invite Him to come in (Revelation 3:20).

No, Chick, I am not being cruel, judgmental, and nasty. I am telling you these things for several reasons. First, because He has told me that I should Go, Disciple, Teach (Matthew 28:19-20) and be a witness to you (Acts 1:8). You may have noticed that I left out Baptize in the Matthew 28 quote. That is because I would like to see you join a local church fellowship and have your new pastor baptize you.

My second reason is: That I sincerely, truly, care about you and your eternal security. With all my heart, I want to meet you in heaven one day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill Gray:
And, you reply, "Been there, Done that…….didn’t work. How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"
You are contradicting yourself here. First you reply to my suggestion, "put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ" -- by saying that you have done this, that you have put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ and it did not work.
And, then you ask, "How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"
So, I ask you, "Did you or did you not put your faith in Jesus Christ as you said in your first statement?'
Or, did you only try, make some level of attempt -- then, give up and walk away; as your second statement implies?

Ok..my bad. I should have explained myself a little better.
When I said "been there, done that". I meant that I have tried it, nothing happened & nothing became real to me. Thus the reason for not knowing if he exist.
Ok, now you're going to say that I didn't try or believe HARD enough, didn't have enough Faith. So, of course, what else can you say?
That's the reason a believer always gives.

I'm out of here, this is getting me or you no where. Well, I take that back...it gives you a chance to preach, even though I don't read all of your post in full.

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:

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Bill Gray:
And, you reply, "Been there, Done that…….didn’t work. How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"
You are contradicting yourself here. First you reply to my suggestion, "put your trust in Him and put your faith in Jesus Christ" -- by saying that you have done this, that you have put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ and it did not work.
And, then you ask, "How can I put faith in something that I don’t know exist?"
So, I ask you, "Did you or did you not put your faith in Jesus Christ as you said in your first statement?'
Or, did you only try, make some level of attempt -- then, give up and walk away; as your second statement implies?

Ok..my bad. I should have explained myself a little better.
When I said "been there, done that". I meant that I have tried it, nothing happened & nothing became real to me. Thus the reason for not knowing if he exist.
Ok, now you're going to say that I didn't try or believe HARD enough, didn't have enough Faith. So, of course, what else can you say?
That's the reason a believer always gives.

I'm out of here, this is getting me or you no where. Well, I take that back...it gives you a chance to preach, even though I don't read all of your post in full.

Hi Chick,

Just a thought based upon your last statement; do you think it is possible that you never believed -- because you block, mentally or spiritually, all Christian dialogue through which you might discover God?

As I said, just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Why Doesn't Jesus Heal Today?

Probably because, like many others in the business of healing these days, he doesn't want to deal with a hefty malpractice suit.