Hi to my Forum Friends,

Well, America has opened Pandora's Box by electing Barack Obama as our next president. Now, we must be aware of the seeds this has sown or will soon sow -- and the harvest they may bring to America. A good example, which may be heralding the Liberal Left's intentions for America, is a new book recently on the market which demands that America be a secular, or at the least a multi-religion, nation. This new book is decrying the fact that we Conservatives tell folks that America was founded as a Christian nation. But, regardless of how fervently the Liberal Left is pushing their secular beliefs upon America -- this will always be a Christian nation.

In his new book, "The Court & The Cross, The Religious Right's Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court" -- Frederick Lane tells us, "Moreover, the insistence that the United States is a Christian nation, a claim heard at increasingly high levels of government, unnecessarily antagonizes non-Christian nations. . ."

Does this sound vaguely familiar? Do you recall when Barack Obama was asked why he did not wear the American flag lapel pin nor acknowledge the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance? Does this statement in Lane's book sound a wee bit like deja vu of the not too long ago presidential primary race?

On his web site (www.fredericklane.com) personal bio page, Frederick Lane tells us: "Lane lives in Burlington, Vermont with his partner, Dr. Amy Werbel, and four boys." He does not say that he lives with "his wife" -- but, "his partner." Is this the beginning of us not being able to say "husband" and "wife" in the Liberal regime?

But, in his book, in giving me, Bill Gray, my fifteen seconds of fame -- the author is also helping me spread the Conservative Christian values that I so strongly believe. On pages 26-27 of his new book, the author spotlights the "Conservative Christian Right demagogue, Bill Gray" -- and quotes quite a bit of what I had written. So, in his way of denouncing Bill Gray's writing -- he is once again sharing this writing with a larger audience. Praise the Lord! What man has meant for evil -- God will use for His glory.

And, I have to thank the author -- for he puts me in very good company when he stands me with other writers such as Ann Coulter, Pat Buchanan, William F. Buckley, Robert D. Novak, Phyllis Schlafly, and Paul M. Weyrich.

The author takes a heavy swing at Nathan Tabor, the founder and editor of The Conservative Voice, a web site which was reaching over 250,000 people daily with the voice of conservative Christian beliefs and conservative political views. Lane has done this in an attempt to cast a negative shadow over Nathan's conservative Christian and political views -- and the success of that web site.

In his book, Lane writes: "Tabor's site features over 100 columnists, including a variety of conservative icons: Pat Buchanan, William F. Buckley, Robert D. Novak, Phyllis Schlafly, Paul M. Weyrich, to name just a few. One of the more strident 'conservative voices' is Bill Gray." This reminds me of a saying I often heard growing up in the South, "Call me anything you like -- just don't call me late for supper!" Thank you, Mr. Lane.

Nathan Tabor's The Conservative Voice performed a great service for America. It gave many writers such as me, those of us without the national syndication credentials -- but, who speak from the heart of America, from the heart of the common American -- the opportunity to be heard across America and around the world. Possibly Nathan felt he had gone as far as he could with The Conservative Voice -- for he sold it to TownHall.Com.

The first thing TownHall did was to eliminate all non-credentialed writers and feature only those with national syndication. In other words, TownHall has shut down the voices of we-the-people small-folk Americans and will only allow a privileged few to speak for all of us. And, some call this progress? I am not knocking Nathan for feeling it was time to move on; but, I am shedding a few tears for those of us who will not be heard as we speak from the heart of America.

But, Bill Gray has had his fifteen seconds of fame -- and, I, too, like Nathan, will move on and continue to share God's Word in every venue He brings me and through every window He opens for me.

We, you and I, must continue to share the Gospel and keep reminding folks, around the world, that America was founded as a Christian nation -- and we will always be a Christian nation. America will always be the shining "lighthouse of Christian faith" which offers hope to so many oppressed people around the world.

Do your part and share this message with your Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all your FRANs. We cannot allow a Liberal Left Washington DC to deter us from sharing His Word and declaring our nation for Him.

Below is an excerpt of this book taken from the InDigest web site: Link

Bold, italic, color, and underlined emphasis in the book excerpt below is mine. My "fifteen seconds of fame" is shown in blue text.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray

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THE COURT & THE CROSS
The Religious Right's Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court
By Frederick Lane

There is one fundamental belief that has sustained the Christian Right through long days of campaign speeches, phone banks, leafletting, poll-watching, and fund-raising: America has abandoned its historical religious foundations and needs to be restored to its proper status as a Christian nation. A highly profitable industry of Christian Right think tanks, lobbying organizations, law firms, lecturers, historians, writers, and websites has sprung up to defend America's allegedly Christian origins and to push for legislation and policies on that would irrevocably save the nation for Jesus Christ.

Conservative author Ann Coulter offered a typically stark statement of the Christian Right's ultimate goals. In an October 2007 interview with Donny Deutsch, host of CNBC's The Big Idea, Coulter pointed to the 2004 Republican National Convention as her ideal vision of America:

Coulter: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they --

Deutsch: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?

Coulter: Yes.

Deutsch: We should all be Christian?

Coulter: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?

Admittedly, Ann Coulter is to civil discourse what Cruella de Ville was to Dalmation puppies, and she certainly doesn't speak for all Christians or even all evangelical Christians. But her belief that America would be better off if it were predominantly and avowedly Christian is not an isolated view.

One of the leading websites for the Christian Right is The Conservative Voice, a news and commentary site founded by Nathan Tabor, who holds a Masters in Public Policy from Pat Robertson's Regent University. As the site proudly proclaims, Tabor was once described by the late Jerry Falwell as a "young Jesse Helms." Tabor entered the Republican primary for Congress in North Carolina's Fifth Congressional District, but despite support from some of the Christian Right's most influential leaders -- Pat Robertson, Bob Jones III, Rep. Jim Ryun (R-Kan.), Beverly and Tim LaHaye, Michael Farris, and others -- Tabor finished a distant fifth out of eight candidates.

Tabor's Conservative Voice website, however, has been a much more successful endeavor. Committed to promoting "Faith, Family, Freedom," Tabor's site features over 100 columnists, including a variety of conservative icons: Pat Buchanan, William F. Buckley, Robert D. Novak, Phyllis Schlafly, Paul M. Weyrich, to name just a few. One of the more strident "conservative voices" is Bill Gray, a former computer industry worker who runs an online Christian ministry called the Bill & Dory Gray Christian Ministries. In an editorial published in 2007 on the Conservative Voice website, Gray emphatically summarized the fundamental fears of the Christian Right movement:

"America is in a fight for its very life -- from the inside! Our American society, our American culture, is on the brink of implosion.

This may sound very dramatic; but, it is true. America is like a huge keg of dynamite, and the fuse -- is the fallacy of "Separation of Church and State" perpetrated by Secular Humanism, comprised of the ACLU, the NEA, Liberal Politicians, Gay/Lesbian Activist groups, and other atheistic organizations."

After recounting numerous references to God and the Creator in the history of the American colonies and the early days of the Republic, Gray concluded his essay with an unequivocal call to Glory:

"We must protect our nation, founded UNDER GOD and for the GLORY OF GOD.

The next time you hear some fanatic screaming "First Amendment Rights" or "Separation of Church and State" -- tell him to go lock himself in a padded room and scream to himself. For we no longer want to hear it.

We are Americans, living in a Christian nation which was founded by Christian believers. You have a right to read your Qu'ran, your Torah, or any other sacred book you have; you have a right to worship rocks, stars, the sun, and the moon, or plaster statues, if you like. You have the right to live as you like, in any lifestyle you chose. Just do not try to force that lifestyle upon me, or upon my children or grandchildren."

Gray also took the time to defend the comments that Coulter made on CNBC, although Coulter may wish that he had chosen a more felicitous metaphor. "What is my opinion of Ann Coulter?" Gray asked rhetorically. "Ann is like a beacon light -- a lot of pigeons will leave their droppings on it -- but, it raises awareness and guides people. Ann, like Jerry Falwell, often says things that, to some, are outrageous. But, you have to admit, it does make you think." Gray said that even though it might not have been expressed well, Coulter's fundamental argument was correct:

"Will Jews who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as their long awaited Messiah be saved? No. Neither will Germans, Africans, British, Polish, Latin Americans, Mexicans, etc., -- no one, regardless of your nationality or ethnic culture, will be saved except through Jesus Christ. He makes this very clear in John 3:3, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD."

So, when you think of Ann Coulter; do not think of her as a loudmouth -- but, instead think of her as a beacon light covered with pigeon poop -- but, still making her case for Conservative Christianity. God bless Ann Coulter!"

The claim by Christian conservatives that America is a Christian nation is disturbing enough when preached from the pulpit or proclaimed on national television. It assaults the fundamental premise of this nation, that it is a pluralistic society that draws its strength in large part from the varied contributions of numerous cultures and traditions. Moreover, the insistence that the United States is a Christian nation, a claim heard at increasingly high levels of government, unnecessarily antagonizes non-Christian nations and makes it more difficult for this country to play an effective role on the increasingly crowded and diverse global stage.

There may be one or two salutary aspects to the strident insistence that America is a Christian nation: the debate over what the Constitution's drafters intended is generally healthy for democracy, and the dredging of historical documents for quotes allegedly affirming America's Christian foundation provides much-needed work for liberal arts majors. But the insistence on a Christian identity for the nation is far more dangerous and divisive when the claim is made by state and federal legislators, and downright destructive when laws, public policies, and judicial decisions are explicitly based on that premise. In those circumstances, the assertion that America is a Christian nation threatens to erect a wall between the federal government and those of its citizens who are not devotees of Ann Coulter, Bill Gray, and other Christian Right demagogues.

Attempts to codify God in the nation's laws have occurred throughout American history, with varying degrees of success. But over the last three decades, politicians at both the state and federal level have been increasingly aggressive in their efforts and increasingly narrow in their definition of God. In 2004, for instance, the platform for the Republican Party in Texas flatly stated "the United States of America is a Christian nation" and in 2006, expanded on that theme to urge the teaching of "school subjects with emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles upon which America was founded and which form the basis of America's legal and its political and economic systems."

In Missouri, Representative David Sater proposed a resolution in the spring of 2006 that would have declared the United States a Christian nation and also recognized Christianity as the state's "majority religion." The resolution went on to state that the founding fathers "recognized a Christian God and used the principles afforded to us by Him as the founding principles of our nation." The resolution caused a stir when it was sent to the full House for a vote, but it was ultimately dropped from the House calendar in late March.

At the federal level, various legislators -- most notably Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) -- have given speeches on the floor of Congress declaring that the United States is a "Christian Nation," and have even sponsored legislation to codify that belief in various ways in the nation's laws. The Christian Right lost its two most fervent advocates -- Rep. Tom Delay (R-Texas) and Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Penn.) -- in 2006, but a number of others remain. In the heady days following the success of conservative politicians in 2004, Santorum was mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, but that prospect faded with his loss to former Pennsylvania governor Bob Casey. In Santorum's absence, each of the remaining 2008 Republican presidential candidates trumpeted his religious values and slavish devotion to the Christian Right's core issues -- but the possibility that Rudy Giuliani, the thrice-married, semi-pro-choice, occasionally cross-dressing former Mayor of Sodom (New York), would win the nomination had evangelicals threatening a general-election boycott.

"My position remains the same," the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins told The Los Angeles Times, "as I think it does for a number of pro-life conservatives -- that we draw a line that we will not cross in supporting a pro-abortion-rights candidate."

While the push to formally codify America as a "Christian nation" may play well on the political stage in some parts of the country, even the more moderate of the proposals would destroy the religious and social pluralism that has been at the core of this nation's success for more than two hundred years. The most extreme proposals, made by individuals surprisingly and disturbingly influential in contemporary conservative political circles, would literally impose Old Testament law for criminal behavior, strip the voting rolls of all but the godly, and turn civil government into little more than a beadle for evangelical Christian churches.

Frederick Lane is an expert witness, lecturer, and author who has appeared on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, the BBC, and MSNBC. He has just finished his fourth book, [i]"The Court and the Cross: The Religious Right's Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court."[/b] Lane lives in Burlington, Vermont with his partner, Dr. Amy Werbel, and four boys.

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Quoting Anne Coulter? That bed-hopping **** telling people how to manage their spiritual life? Sorry, but any woman who shared the bed of Bill Maher, Dinesh D'Souza and Bob Guccione Jr. really has no business telling anyone how to be a Christian. Of course the article sort of points that out.

Speaking of liberals...How bout that Jesus!

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Quoting Anne Coulter? That bed-hopping **** telling people how to manage their spiritual life? Sorry, but any woman who shared the bed of Bill Maher, Dinesh D'Souza and Bob Guccione Jr. really has no business telling anyone how to be a Christian. Of course the article sort of points that out.

Hi Mean,

That's funny. I never saw her sleep with any of those guys. Did you?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Quoting Anne Coulter? That bed-hopping **** telling people how to manage their spiritual life? Sorry, but any woman who shared the bed of Bill Maher, Dinesh D'Souza and Bob Guccione Jr. really has no business telling anyone how to be a Christian. Of course the article sort of points that out.

Hi Mean,

That's funny. I never saw her sleep with any of those guys. Did you?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

No, I did not see it (now I will need a stick to poke out my minds eye!) I have heard at least two of the men discuss their sex lives with her. She does not deny it. Bill darling, grow up. She is 47 years old - I just do not buy that she is saving herself for just the right man. The Virgin Anne?

“Ann wasn’t always the strident, hate-filled creature she is today,” Gooch laments, ruefully adding that his tombstone will likely read HAD A WEAKNESS FOR TALL BLONDES. He knew the relationship was doomed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. “It’s the middle of the night, we’re in bed, and the phone rings. Ann is jumping up and down, yelling gleefully, ‘We did it, we did it!’ The next morning she’s got three separate televisions going so she can watch all the coverage at once. It was appalling. Poor Ann. It is always sad when the persona eats the person.” For her part, Coulter denies ever being “arm candy for Bob Guccione Jr. The Gooch was my arm candy—my boy toy whom I regretfully had to replace with a much younger man.”

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Hi Mean,

That's funny. I never saw her sleep with any of those guys. Did you?

Mean, did you do a YouTube search? I bet you could find it on there. If not, there's always XTube but I bet that's where Bill heard about Ann in the first place.

Bill,

I assume that the "pigeon poop" on Anne's "beacon light" could easily be Guccione.

All that aside, congratulations on your 15 min. I always wish you well.

The true sexual pervert is the committed celibate. Why do religious people have such severe and headsick sexual hangups?


DF

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Why do religious people have such severe and headsick sexual hangups?

DF, don't you know sex is no fun for them unless it's taboo?

then you must be really disappointed

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake: Quoting Anne Coulter? That bed-hopping **** telling people how to manage their spiritual life? Sorry, but any woman who shared the bed of Bill Maher, Dinesh D'Souza, and Bob Guccione Jr. really has no business telling anyone how to be a Christian. Of course the article sort of points that out.

Hi Mean,

That's funny. I never saw her sleep with any of those guys. Did you?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

No, I did not see it (now I will need a stick to poke out my minds eye!) I have heard at least two of the men discuss their sex lives with her. She does not deny it. Bill darling, grow up. She is 47 years old - I just do not buy that she is saving herself for just the right man. The Virgin Anne?

“Ann wasn’t always the strident, hate-filled creature she is today,” Gooch laments, ruefully adding that his tombstone will likely read HAD A WEAKNESS FOR TALL BLONDES. He knew the relationship was doomed when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. “It’s the middle of the night, we’re in bed, and the phone rings. Ann is jumping up and down, yelling gleefully, ‘We did it, we did it!’ The next morning she’s got three separate televisions going so she can watch all the coverage at once. It was appalling. Poor Ann. It is always sad when the persona eats the person.” For her part, Coulter denies ever being “arm candy for Bob Guccione Jr. The Gooch was my arm candy—my boy toy whom I regretfully had to replace with a much younger man.”

Hi Mean,

Wow! Two men, if you can call them that -- Bill Maher and Bob Guccione Jr. -- the first, Bill Maher, who must gargle with "cow dung water" in an attempt to get the evil taste of his own words from his mouth -- and, then, Bob Guccione, Jr., who was raised on Penthouse porno magazines. And, because they claim another manly conquest; we are supposed to believe it?

This reminds me of the old saying I have often heard, "Studies show that 99 out of 100 boys masturbate -- and the other one lies about it."

Mean, back in my swinging bachelor days; I spent many a night in the night clubs and heard many men bragging of their conquests. And, do you know how many I believed -- zero. A man who has to talk about it -- most likely has never done it.

I am reminded of a joke I recently heard: A lady goes to her new gyn doctor for a check up. While he was questioning her, she told him she had been married three times. Taken by surprise, the doctor told her, "But, you are still a virgin! How could you have been married three times?"

She explained, "My first husband was gay -- and did not want to. My second husband was an alcoholic -- and could not.

My third husband was a salesman who sat on the side of the bed all night telling me how great it was GOING to be!"

That, my Friend, is how I picture Maher and Guccione.

Regarding Dinesh D'Souza -- from the Wikipedia web site:

Prior to his marriage in 1992, D'Souza had relationships with two well-known female conservatives, Laura Ingraham, a nationally-syndicated radio commentator to whom he was engaged but never married, and best-selling conservative author and commentator Ann Coulter.

So, prior to his marriage to his wife, Danielle, he dated other women. Wow! So did I before I was married!

However, this does not say that -- as you implied -- they were jumping into bed. Before any of us were married; I am sure we all dated a number of people -- but, that does not imply that we were having a sexual affair with them. And, a man who gets his kicks telling the world that he had sex with a woman -- most likely could not, even if given the chance.

Mean, you might not like this lady -- but, unless you have first hand knowledge that she had a sexual relationship with anyone -- you are only spreading gossip.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Oh Bill........please darling. A 47 year old virgin who has dated all these men. Right. UmmmmmmmmK. Got ya.

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Mean, you might not like this lady -- but, unless you have first hand knowledge that she had a sexual relationship with anyone -- you are only spreading gossip.

I never saw Bill Clinton get a Lewinski either.

"The woman has an airbag in her headboard".

Rose Nylund, The Golden Girls.

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Bill,

I assume that the "pigeon poop" on Anne's "beacon light" could easily be Guccione.

All that aside, congratulations on your 15 min. I always wish you well.

Hi Mean,

NOPE! It is the barrage of tripe Conservatives always get when attempting to have a dialogue with Liberals. But, I am sure that many would relate Maher and Guccione with that commodity.

Thank you! I am blessed to have you as a Forum Friend.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill