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As a Preacher's kid -- this is something I dealt with all my life. We went where dad went and didn't have a say-so in it. Now, as an adult and making my own choices -- if I think God wants me to go somewhere else -- then yes, I would consider it...so long as it's not a Jim JOnes cult or anything...Many people move for their jobs -- why not for your faith? |
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I love our Priest, Bishop Parsley AND Katharine Jefferts Schori,our Presiding Bishop. Of course I have no issue with women Priests or Bishops in the church - that being the intent of your inane remark. It fell short considering I did not "criticize" the head of any "church". "The middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters." —Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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I'm talking about your last Priest. Need I say more?
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apparently not.
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Moving for the sole reason of joining a particular church?
No way. I move for jobs then struggle through finding a church in which I feel comfortable. "I've found it hard to overestimate the ability of any organization to promote stupid people." -Jack Campbell, "Valiant: The Lost Fleet, Book 4" |
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Move for a church? No way. Wait . . . Is the church paying for the move? Is the church hiring me for a significant salary increase? Nah, I still wouldn't trust them.
WARNING - Before you move make sure you have a job in the area. Jobs aren't exactly plentiful and most people don't live off of honey and locusts these days. In fact, getting the honey could land you in jail for trespassing. "A mind is like a book, you have to open it before you expect to gain any intelligence." "Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein |
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Agree with both of the above gentlemen. The church may fill your soul but you will need a job to fill your belly.
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Hi all, Just curious; did anyone else notice that God and Jesus Christ were not mentioned AT ALL in this chain of command? Neal tells us, "The vestry and members and the Bishop of Alabama are the "head" of Trinity Parish and all Episcopal churches in the US." Silly me. All these years I have always thought it was God's church and that Jesus Christ is "head" of the church. If we take a close look at 1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 4:15 -- and then even closer at Ephesians 5:23, ". . . As Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body." -- we appear to be at odds with Neal's church, or, at least, Neal's vision of his church. Neal, you tell us, "The members vote on the rector, he/she swears her/his allegiance to the bishop and signs a contract the vestry draws up in the name of the congregation." You are advocating swearing allegiance to a man -- not to God; you are advocating signing a contract with an organization -- but, no mention of God. Where does God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Bible -- fit into your religion? Be careful, my Friend, that you do not get so caught up in the "works of your church" -- that you totally exclude God. I am reminded of the story of the "economically challenged" -- i.e., poor man, who went into an affluent local church to worship. The people in the congregation were aghast at his ragged clothing. After the service, the minister told him that he is welcomed in their church -- but, next week, please wear more appropriate clothing. The next week, the poor man came for worship again; still wearing his only clothing -- old, tattered. Once again the minister chastised him, "Didn't I tell you that you should dress more appropriately to worship here? You should pray about your situation." The poor man told the minister, "Sir, this week I spent much time in prayer; asking Jesus Christ what I should do -- and how I should dress to worship in your church." "And," asked the minister somewhat impatiently. Jesus told me, "I don't know. I have never been invited into that church either." Neal, have you and your church leaders ever thought about inviting God and Jesus Christ into your church? Just a thought. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill  |
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Would You Move for a Church?
No,but I am thinking of moving to Hunstville if the Shoals doesn't open a strip club. |
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Bill, blow it out your ear.  It should go without saying that God is the head of all churches, whatever the denomination. Neal was just explaining the human hierachy. My friends are my estate. Emily Dickinson |
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Hi Rather, Thank you for your proposed suggestion to improve the Shoals area. Of course, I am speaking of your proposed move out of the Shoals and to Huntsville. Just a thought -- but, maybe New York would fit you better. That is a place where you can find anything. As I said, just a thought. But, thanks again for your Shoals Improvement Goal. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill  |
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Hi Autumn, Your eloquence and articulation are admirable. Yes, it should go without saying that God, i.e., Jesus Christ, is head of the church. And, given that, we do not need a human hierarchy nor a contract with an organization to worship God. God gave us the Holy Spirit and the Bible to teach, guide, and convict us. Nowhere in the Bible does He gives us a liturgical chain of command and contracts to sign -- to be saved. All we need is defined in Ephesians 2:8-9,"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast." That seems very clear, straight forward, and to the point -- by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- we are saved. No mention of contracts, liturgies, robes, bishops, chain of commands, etc. That stuff is all works -- and, you cannot "work" your way into heaven. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill  |
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Hey Bill Bray,it was a joke.Thanks for making Christians look like uptight *******es. |
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Hi Rather, It appears that you are the reincarnation of another Friend. What's wrong; do you need multiple names to spread your dislike of Christians? When one is using multiple names; it is much like lying -- you always have to keep track of previous lies -- so that you don't fall into your own pits. Your Freudian slip is showing. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill This message has been edited. Last edited by: Bill Gray,  |
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Yes I would move for a church. One of the biggest blessings Christ gives the believer is fellowship in the body. That body should be guarding truth at all costs.We learn from Paul that men- even from among ourselves- will slip in and teach perverse things, distorting the Gospel and causing blasphemy. We can see that in America through prosperity preaching to all sorts of falsehoods, some claiming homosexuality is not a sin and even being led by those who remain in that lifestyle of sin and are double-tongued. Paul and other early church leaders suffered for Truth. Godly churches will also suffer for truth. But the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ is worth more than all the treasures of Egypt. I know that many Christians are frustrated with hearing how to have their best life now or trying to find their driven purpose, but Scripture is enough. Preach the Word-in season and out. Blessings.
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