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You have told me before that your life is no better than that of a worm. That is the attitude toward life that I refer to. If not for the basic good traits already instilled in you, and the love that has already been known by you, I believe that atheism would have a tendency to destroy the value or the sacredness of life in your eyes. The life of the human being is much more important than that of a worm, but if all you believe is that you are an evolved worm, then how would you consider a human life more sacred? |
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I would probaby have never began posting on these forums if it were not for you and another of your atheist friends continual raging against the Christian as ignorant fools. You talk of theories as if they were scientific facts, and mock those who use any reason apart from your own. Atheists should not get a free ride without opposition, especially when there is a potential for them to lead the weak down their path of death. By the way, I don't know what threat you refer to. What I have stated concerning the philosophy of atheism is true, but I have never threatened you. |
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You're not reading the posts again, you've missed the point entirely. Try again, read slowly and don't skim.  “Faith does not feed on thin air but on facts. Its instinct is to root itself in truth, to earth itself in reality, and this distinguishes faith from fantasy, the object of faith from the figment of the imagination.”—Os Guinness |
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It was not God that caused that child to die. In this event it was ignorance and lack of action on the part of the parents. They could have gotten her help but didn’t. When innocent children suffer, it is not God’s will. If a person dies and goes to hell, it is not God’s will. There are many things that happen in this life that is not God's will. It is not right to blame everything on God. Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. You question why one prayer works and another does not. There are different things that hinder our prayers, but probably the most common thing is a real lack of faith. When we pray with doubt and fear we are in essence putting as much faith in the problem or sickness as we are in God. A person can be a child of God and still be weak in faith. Faith can move mountains, while doubts, fears, and unbelief build larger mountains. Yet should our weak prayers fail to make an obvious impact, we can do what we can do, and we can take comfort that God still cares and will not forsake us. We will not go through the storms alone, unless we choose to. Mt 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Mt 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Mt 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. I read a story about a mother who had a child born premature and with many problems against her survival. The child’s nervous system was not developed properly and during the first 2 months the mother could not kiss or hold her because it intensified her child’s discomfort. She asked God to stay close to her child since she could not. The child survived and did well. Years later while at a ballpark the mother held this child in her lap as she watched the game. The child was chattering non-stop and suddenly stopped and held its little arms across its chest and asked, “Do you smell that?” Smelling the air her mother detected an approaching thunderstorm and said yes it smells like rain. Once again her child closed her eyes and asked do you smell that? Her mother replied again, yes it smells like rain. The child shook her head and patted her shoulders and said, “NO, It smells like Him! It smells like God when you lay your head on His chest!” We never know just what God is doing behind the scenes in those times we don’t understand. |
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This post will answer practically all of the questions, regarding atheism. If you really want to know what the vast majority of "atheists" believe. Read this manifesto. Another point I'd like to make here is that due to the popularity of the bible in this county, most atheists have read it extensively. We have been involved in the christian religion for years. So I ask how many christians know how most atheists think? How much do you really know? You see, we don't have some ancient vague nebulous scripture with possibly hundreds of different christian factions interpreting the same document with conflicting and divisive results between these many factions.
So please take a breath, relax and take a few minutes to read this manifesto, it will address a lot of the concerns or questions you may have. Here is an excerpt. "An Atheist Manifesto Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind is not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of 6 billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl s parents believe at this very moment that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this? No. The entirety of atheism is contained in this response. Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job. It carries with it an aura of petulance and insensitivity. It is, moreover, a job that the atheist does not want. It is worth noting that no one ever needs to identify himself as a non-astrologer or a non-alchemist. Consequently, we do not have words for people who deny the validity of these pseudo-disciplines. Likewise, atheism is a term that should not even exist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. The atheist is merely a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87% of the population) who claim to never doubt the existence of God should be obliged to present evidence for his existence and, indeed, for his benevolence, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day. Only the atheist appreciates just how uncanny our situation is: Most of us believe in a God that is every bit as specious as the gods of Mount Olympus; no person, whatever his or her qualifications, can seek public office in the United States without pretending to be certain that such a God exists; and much of what passes for public policy in our country conforms to religious taboos and superstitions appropriate to a medieval theocracy. Our circumstance is abject, indefensible and terrifying. It would be hilarious if the stakes were not so high...." Please read on.... ================================================================================ "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer - German philosopher (1788 - 1860) |
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They alreay have paid by the loss of their child's life. They will continue to pay. However, I hope that God shows mercy for stupidity and ignorance. Becuase if He doesn't, nobdoy will have a chance. I wonder how many have married wives or husbands that have done stupid things that could have caused a death. Driving drunk, or driving down the highway in a rage after an argument, or taking some needless chance. Yet, if they knew, normally they would forgive them. This little girl that died is in heaven right now in the presence of God. She probably holds no ill will toward her parents, because she knew they were doing what they thought was best. They were terribly wrong and their ignorance or stupidity cost that little girl her life. Stupidity is not an excuse for killing someone, but I wonder how many of us have barely escaped killing someone at some point in our life because of moments of stupidity. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by what4: It was not God that caused that child to die. It is not right to blame everything on God. I did not say it was God that caused this child to die. I have said all along that it was the stupidity of the parents. You question why one prayer works and another does not. There are different things that hinder our prayers, but probably the most common thing is a real lack of faith. That "lack of faith" thing is the answer I always get which is no answer, at least not to my satisfaction. Remember the "faith of a mustard seed"??? You ever seen a mustard seed? |
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miamizsun, I don't believe in God simply because of faith. Because I stood on faith I eventually found that there is in fact an actual God that responds to our prayers of faith. I now can say for certain that there is a God because He has interacted with me on various occasions in ways that could not have happened by mere coincidence. God has shown me mercy, so I know that He is a God of mercy. God has spoken to me in various ways, so I know that He is a God that knows my heart and responds to my deepest thoughts and needs. He is a God that heals because I have seen Him heal on 3 different occasions in my life that cannot be explained away. I believe strongly that He has healed me and my family at other points in time, but those events came and passed without any proof that God did it. I have also heard the testimony of others and I have seen God work and move through others. There is not doubt in my mind that God exists. I have faith that what He has promised He will make good. I have faith that His word is true. But I know for a fact that He is real.
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And Muslims "KNOW" that muhammad was a "REAL" prophet. And Scientologists "KNOW" alien souls flew from volcanos. Somebody is wrong. But you all "KNOW" what you believe is real. I "KNOW" I don't believe in any of it. |
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fineazell1, why do you have this at the bottom of all your post? I'm just curious.
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I know for a fact the God I serve is real because He has answered my prayers as only He can. You are responding to me right now, so I believe you are real. If you said you were all powerful and knew my thoughts, and I prayed a prayer in secret, calling on your name, and you answered it in ways that defy explanation, then I would be even more convinced that you were what you claimed to be. Then when you repeat this act 9 or 10 times according to my requests in prayer, and each time defies all explanation, then I would tell others that you are exactly what you claim to be. I don't know why others believe in Mohammed, but I know why I believe in God and Jesus Christ. I have complete confidence in my God. I have no confidence in another. |
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Maybe god didn't kill that child. Religion sure as heck did.
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That particular person's perspective on religion did. On this we certainly can agree. |
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Tac, a mustard seed is not a small faith but a huge faith. It is small in size but look what it becomes. It believes and has no doubt that it can accomplish its goal. It has also been referred to as a growing faith that begins small, yet in the end it grows to the point that birds nest in it’s branches. If we do not use what faith we have it will not grow. Yet as we believe God, and we get a history behind us of seeing God work in the small things that we ask Him for, then we get encouraged and become better able to believe Him for the greater things. Jesus over and over again said according to your faith be it done unto you. The apostles could not cast a demon out of a young child, even though they were sent out on a mission and given authority over all the enemy. Jesus cast the demon out. Then the apostles turned to Jesus and asked Him, “Why couldn't we cast the demon out?” Jesus said, because of your unbelief. Faith and doubt conflict with the other and hinders the other. When we come to the place that we truly trust that Jesus loves us and wants to help us, and we come to know His will by studying His word, then we can pray believing that we receive, knowing and expecting that we will receive what we ask for. That type of faith will begin to see wondrous things happen. Doubts and fears are not the only reason prayers are not answered, but I believe it is the major reason. I believe that selfishness, strife, disobedience, and shallow commitments also hinder prayer. It may even be times that we can’t handle what we ask for because we are not mature enough to handle it. And of course we all have a time that we must leave this world, so when it is time to go our prayer may go unanswered. But for the most part, I believe it is a matter of faith. |
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