Silly me. Of course this is just another excuse to bash Christians, God, the Bible...it doesn't have to make sense. Right. I get it now. Carry on. I'll go find something productive to do.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Silly me. Of course this is just another excuse to bash Christians, God, the Bible...it doesn't have to make sense. Right. I get it now. Carry on. I'll go find something productive to do.

Joy, I apologize if my post offended you, it was meant for Peter's remark. Is it sarcastic? Literally no, figuratively yes, it could be.

regards, miamizsun

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Silly me. Of course this is just another excuse to bash Christians, God, the Bible...

Joy, in the interest of fair play: The very instant an atheist neglects or kills a child in the name of "atheism" I fully expect you to let me have it with both barrels.

These stupid people deserve all the attention and ridicule the world can muster in hopes that another child will not suffer as this one did.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
This is ridiculous. You all who don't believe there is a God are blaming God for the actions of two inept parents? It's rather hard to do that if He doesn't exist for you.

The people that do believe in God on the forums are not blaming God. This is because there is no Biblical basis for the actions of these two individuals. They would need to take something out of context or ignore all the Bible has to say on this subject & even then it's a huge stretch for their conclusions. There is no case for the parents based on scripture. Please read that last sentence until it sinks in.

Furthermore, the Bible says we are to obey the law of the land. Unless I'm missing something, this would fall under homicide caused by negligence. They would be in error there as well.

Amen sister...

Joy, Peter,

How can you honestly tell a small child her age that god loves that child when he wouldn't lift a finger to save her from a slow, painful, degenerative death? All god had to do is show himself to the parents and say "Stop it". But, no.

It is absolutely, irreconcilably absurd to say that god looks after us and loves us, and yet lets things like this happen, when the sparing of that child's suffering would have been so easy for him.

Toon, if god had known that the little girl would live a few short years, and then die of a horrible wasting disease, why let her be born at all? If that is god's reason for his inaction, it's either piss poor, or his ways are so foreign to our imaginations that we should take no heed of him whatever as we are impossibly incapable of understanding the first simple thing he has in mind.

I will repeat my observation: God's fan club has all the detailed answers to questions that cannot be tested, and reams of verses to support those fictions. When cruelty and misery occurs, however, god becomes mysterious and subtle. And he goes missing.

This is very simple stuff, and it requires an army of pHD theologists to spend their lives coming up with rationalizations and excuses to explain.

Here's a parable. Two 6 year old children are torturing a kitten to death. Peter Reilly comes upon them, and even though he loves the children, he's a bit put out with them. He tells them to stop, and because they recognize his authority, they stop. The children do not understand why their fun was halted; they cannot know yet, their development is too young. The even more innocent kitten lives, due to Peter's merely saying that it should.

Would Peter have demonstrated cruelty by not saving the kitten?

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Joy, Peter,

How can you honestly tell a small child her age that god loves that child when he wouldn't lift a finger to save her from a slow, painful, degenerative death? All god had to do is show himself to the parents and say "Stop it". But, no.

DF

As I stated earlier "No" is still an answer. But hear me out. God most likely did say to them "Stop it and let the doctors do..." but in their twisted (yes I said that) view of the situation, they saw that as the devil putting doubts about God in their mind. Sometimes religious fanatics forget that every answer is not Yes or No, but that is why God gave us common sense to know that would be logical to do. These people were not typical Christians and were not logical in their thinking. They should be punished in some way for their inaction in this situation. I commend them for their faith becasue I could not have sat back and done nothing or not said yes to the doctors, but I think they took this situation too far.

I'm sorry, a child is dead. Someone needs to be held responsible in some way for this tragedy. They are entitled to their religious beliefs, but like Joy said, there is not justification for it in the Bible -- and to add, the bible says thou shalt not kill as does the law of the land...I agree they contributed to this child's death, but please don't blame God or ridicule those of us that are Christians about our God -- He did nothing wrong in this situation. Just because you ask for something doesn't mean you get what you ask for...Sometimes things really are black and white with no gray...

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Originally posted by DixieChik:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
This is ridiculous. You all who don't believe there is a God are blaming God for the actions of two inept parents? It's rather hard to do that if He doesn't exist for you.

The people that do believe in God on the forums are not blaming God. This is because there is no Biblical basis for the actions of these two individuals. They would need to take something out of context or ignore all the Bible has to say on this subject & even then it's a huge stretch for their conclusions. There is no case for the parents based on scripture. Please read that last sentence until it sinks in.

Furthermore, the Bible says we are to obey the law of the land. Unless I'm missing something, this would fall under homicide caused by negligence. They would be in error there as well.

Amen sister...

I clearly pointed out in the bible many a scripture where they could have very easily gotten this guidance.


Religions and their followers encourage people to believe things that we know just aren't so.

Baby with 2 faces born in north India worshipped as a Hindu goddess.



Mother Sushma holds her daughter Lali at their residence in Saini Sunpura, 50 kilometers (31 miles) east of New Delhi, India, Tuesday, April 8, 2008. The baby with two faces, two noses, two pairs of lips and two pairs of eyes was born on March 11 in a northern Indian village, where she is doing well and is being worshipped as the reincarnation of a Hindu goddess, her father said Tuesday.

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Originally posted by DixieChik:

As I stated earlier "No" is still an answer. But hear me out. God most likely did say to them "Stop it and let the doctors do..." but in their twisted (yes I said that) view of the situation, they saw that as the devil putting doubts about God in their mind. Sometimes religious fanatics forget that every answer is not Yes or No, but that is why God gave us common sense to know that would be logical to do. These people were not typical Christians and were not logical in their thinking. They should be punished in some way for their inaction in this situation. I commend them for their faith becasue I could not have sat back and done nothing or not said yes to the doctors, but I think they took this situation too far.

I'm sorry, a child is dead. Someone needs to be held responsible in some way for this tragedy. They are entitled to their religious beliefs....

Sometimes things really are black and white with no gray...

What would Jesus do? (I'm serious)

miamisun -- you are free to believe what you believe and I am free to believe what I believe. Yes, SOME religions encourage certain things, but not all...please don't lump my beliefs (which are not the same as these parents) in with those fanatics...which is basically waht you are doing -- ridiculing me for something I had nothing to do with because I believe in God and I know him to be good and true. I am not ridiculing you or Deep or anyone for NOT BELIEVING IN GOD...

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Originally posted by miamizsun:

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Originally posted by DixieChik:

As I stated earlier "No" is still an answer. But hear me out. God most likely did say to them "Stop it and let the doctors do..." but in their twisted (yes I said that) view of the situation, they saw that as the devil putting doubts about God in their mind. Sometimes religious fanatics forget that every answer is not Yes or No, but that is why God gave us common sense to know that would be logical to do. These people were not typical Christians and were not logical in their thinking. They should be punished in some way for their inaction in this situation. I commend them for their faith becasue I could not have sat back and done nothing or not said yes to the doctors, but I think they took this situation too far.

I'm sorry, a child is dead. Someone needs to be held responsible in some way for this tragedy. They are entitled to their religious beliefs....

Sometimes things really are black and white with no gray...

What would Jesus do? (I'm serious)

He would punish the parents...which they will probably punish themselves more than anyone could them...Hence the reason I said someone needs to be held accountable...

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How can you honestly tell a small child her age that god loves that child when he wouldn't lift a finger to save her from a slow, painful, degenerative death? All god had to do is show himself to the parents and say "Stop it". But, no.

If you are in a car wreck and die because you were ejected, is it the car manufacturer's fault because they didn't buckle your seat belt for you?

God gave us common sense and intelligence. Those two things tell us that when our kid is sick, we take them to a doctor. People who refuse to use common sense and intelligence, just as those who refuse to buckle up, have no one to blame but themselves.

Its a very dangerous thing to question the power of GOD. He knows what he is doing.

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
miamisun -- you are free to believe what you believe and I am free to believe what I believe. Yes, SOME religions encourage certain things, but not all...please don't lump my beliefs (which are not the same as these parents) in with those fanatics...which is basically waht you are doing -- ridiculing me for something I had nothing to do with because I believe in God and I know him to be good and true. I am not ridiculing you or Deep or anyone for NOT BELIEVING IN GOD...

Dixie, I'm not trying to ridicule anyone, please don't take it personally. I'm simply pointing out the logical consequences of a religious belief system. I believe that these people really believed literally what they read in the bible.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

God gave us common sense and intelligence. Those two things tell us that when our kid is sick, we take them to a doctor. People who refuse to use common sense and intelligence, just as those who refuse to buckle up, have no one to blame but themselves.

However, when we apply our common sense and intelligence to ancient religious beliefs, we see right through it.

We as christians see right through islam and every other religion. We immediately laugh and realize how ridiculous the claims of islam are, yet we will not look into the mirror and apply the same standards to ourselves.

Why?

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Originally posted by NashBama:
God gave us common sense and intelligence. Those two things tell us that when our kid is sick, we take them to a doctor.

Do you pray when your child is sick?