The parents used very poor judgment, and were tragically wrong. If they had it do over again, surely they would do things differently.

Here is a story you won't find in the papers, but is a very probable situation. A child had a mother that carried him to church and taught him to believe in God. There came to be a time in his young life, while he was still weak in understanding and maturity, that he had questions and doubts about God. His atheist father stepped up and offered his view on life. The child fell for it. The child eventually died without knowing Jesus as Savior. Which story is the most tragic?

Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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Doesnt mean He wants them to die, just means he doesnt intervine in the earth anymore, nor will he until the return of Jesus.

Then what is the point of prayer and worship if he doesn't ever intervene at all in anyone's life?

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
To pray that a child be healed is great, fantastic...it's meant to be a "peace pill" so to speak. To give comfort that everthing is going to be ok. However, "lazy" prayer is not only idiotic, it's un-Godly.

Ahh. So it's okay to pray for healing, just don't expect them to eve be answered. Yes, that makes sense.

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Originally posted by what4:
The child eventually died without knowing Jesus as Savior. Which story is the most tragic?

You are asserting that god would torture a child for eternity because his loving father taught his son how to think?

And you are asserting that this is somehow more tragic than the moronic Christians that virtually murdered their own child?

Jesus.

Peter,

I didn't let a little girl die for lack of simple medicine. I'm not the one looking ridiculous here.

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Your scenario does not follow. If I fail to fasten my seatbelt and I die, that is my fault. If I fail to fasten a child's seatbelt and simply put my faith in god that we will not have a wreck, it is my fault if she dies in one.

The scenario fits perfectly.

Car manufacturers gave us seat belts to protect us in a crash. Choosing not to use it is dumb. Choosing not to buckle your child is even worse.

God gave us an intelligence to develop medicine and health care. Choosing not to use what we have been given is dumb, choosing not to allow health care to a sick child is worse.

It's like the story I posted earlier, the parents had every opportunity to get help for their kid, they were too stubborn to see it. They wanted God to pop out of nowhere and heal their child instantly, ignoring the opportunities provided. Just like an atheist, where there is evidence all around them but they refuse to see.

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So do you believe all of the miracles mentioned in the bible?

Yes

Nash, you never answered my question (again and again and again):

Do you pray for your child when it is sick?

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Nash, you never answered my question (again and again and again):

Do you pray for your child when it is sick?

This is the first time I've seen the question.

I don't have kids, but I have and do pray for people to recover when they are sick, seriously or not.

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GoFish, I bet if your child was terminally ill and you had exhausted every medical possibility, that even you would try a prayer.
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Originally posted by NashBama:

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So do you believe all of the miracles mentioned in the bible?

Yes

Why?

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Why?

No one has proved them to be untrue.

Besides, if they didn't happen, then why waste valuable paper writing lies? Papyrus and writing utensils were expensive in ancient times. For something to be worth writing down, it was usually something significant.

Plus, many early Christians as well as Jews died for their beliefs. If they were all lies, life would have been easier to just admit it was all made up. Yet, early Jews as well as Christians chose poverty, torture, death of their loved ones, as well as their own demise.

Which is more likely, that they suffered all of that for something they knew to be true or something they knew to be lies?

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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Originally posted by what4:
The child eventually died without knowing Jesus as Savior. Which story is the most tragic?

You are asserting that god would torture a child for eternity because his loving father taught his son how to think?

And you are asserting that this is somehow more tragic than the moronic Christians that virtually murdered their own child?

Jesus.

You arrogantly imply that all Christians don’t know how to think. You stubbornly refuse to hear or allow anything to penetrate your made up mind. You act as if science has all the answers. You refuse to accept that God could exist, simply because He can’t be understood with your finite mind. Look around you. Can you explain everything that goes on in nature? If you can’t, does that mean that nature doesn’t exist? Your way of thinking requires that all your questions be answered or otherwise all previous answers given to you become invalid. You call that thinking. Think again.

You don’t have all the information and are playing the odds that you are right. If you want to play those odds with your own life, then fine. But don’t take a chance with your son’s life or the life of another as these parents did.

Yes, what you are doing can definitely cause a far more tragic outcome. Facing death without knowing Jesus as Savior is a far more terrible and heartrending fate than physical death. You call these parents murderers. What will that make you when one day you find out that you are wrong?

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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Why?

No one has proved them to be untrue.

Would you believe in God's miracles happening today?

Or Bill's cancerous mole miracle? His healing story is posted for all to see.

I do believe God's miracles are happening today.

I read a few of those stories, I can't confirm them to be true or false. Are those people simply making up the stories for attention or is there some truth to them? There is really no way to tell.

How many of those stories would exist if the writers and their families faced torture and death for their beliefs?