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I cannot understand why anyone... ANYONE... would even make excuses as to how these monsters could be understood, much less excused.
They killed their daughter. Murdered her for religion. It's sick and inexcusable. DF I have never met Napoleon, but I plan to find the time. |
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Then it makes me a dad who did the best he could with the evidence the Creator of the Universe provided. Look, What4, I once kept both my boys involved in church from day one. I was a "higher level" member of my church, not just a pew warmer. I kicked my boys out of bed on Sunday morning and dragged them along on Wednesday nights. We prayed fervently. Sang the songs and passed the plate. For most of their lives, I did everything in my power to make sure they were given the opportunity to explore faith to the fullest. Since embracing reality, I happen to very sorry that I ever wasted their time. I should have taken them hiking, camping or to science museums instead. To compare my relationship with my sons to the neglectful murder of an innocent child is beyond offensive, What4. Go to hell. "“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” - Plato, ~380 BC |
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Then he chose not to. That makes god cruel. "“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” - Plato, ~380 BC |
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I don't see why the atheists are so upset about this girl dying. It seems to me they should be celebrating.
The child was born to stupid parents who believed an imaginary man in the clouds would read their minds and cure their child with his magic. This trait would be most likely passed down to the child and her future children, but thanks to natural selection, the child died and will not pass those genes on to future generations. Over time, natural selection will allow the atheists to reproduce intelligent children, while those who reject medical care for their children will eventually become extinct. So atheists should be celebrating, this is one less unintelligent person to dilute the gene pool. Her death proves that natural selection is working, not the non-existence of God.
What if this event convinces her parents as well as other parents to leave such cults? How many deaths would be prevented? Is it cruel to save 1000 lives by allowing 1 death?  "We can't screw it up any worse than they did." - Obama at a voter rally in Philadelphia. |
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I answered that. Worship is a show of love and adoration for God. Prayer is for peace in our hearts. Prayer is so that we know we can talk to God and that God is with us to comfort us. We can talk to The Creator and the peace from that reminds us that no matter how bad things get on earth, that one day we will be with Him in paradise. When I say God doesnt intervene I mean that He never swoops down like a super-hero to save the day....maybe intervene is the wrong word. But I believe the power of God can be seen withing a situation that has been prayed for. Like praying for a doctor that is performing a surgery...I believe a peace can come over that doctor without he/she ever knowing why. But God will never show up physically in the operating room and tell that doctor exactly what is going to happen, or what complications may arise, or if the doctor makes a mistake God isn't going to "zap" the problem away. Prayer is powerful, but it is not the magic trick that some think it is. "Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza |
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You obviously didn't read my entire post. Use my example and read the story of David and Goliath and maybe you'll get what I mean. After you read that story ask yourself this....If David prayed that Goliath be slained, but then he stayed in the tent hiding then Goliath would have died? Or if David prayed but didn't take a weapon? But David prayed, faced the enemy, walked into battle armed with his sling and stones. He prayed, but he also acted. That's my point. "Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza |
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I agree with you that the parents are idiots. I've made sure to state that point many, many times. THE PARENTS WERE PATHETIC IDIOTS TO NOT SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION. My point was that to debate against something of which you have little to no knowledge is ridiculous. And to take this situation and seek to attack God for it is stupid....This wasn't a God thing, this was about to stupid idiots that made a bad choice and their daughter died because of it. "Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza |
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I'm going to tread lightly here and try to agree with you fully.....If...and that's a HUGE IF.. if you can keep it at "murdered her for religion" then I think I can be on your wavelength here. IF IF IF, you don't try to make this anything to do with God, Jesus, or the Bible....just about two idiots who had faith in RELIGON without and intelectual or common sense grasp of God. You know what IF IF IF you keep it only in that "religion" context then I completely agree with you. "Religion" is just any group of people getting together under the same basic belief system. That belief could be that dogs will one day be rulers of the world...doesn't mean it has anything to do with God. Kind of like you guys with atheism....That's a religion to me. Athiest worship science and randomness and nothingness. Athiest worship the very idea that God doesn't exist. Athiest teach faith in science, randomness, and nothingness. Athiest go out into the world spreading this religion. Would you disagree with that? "Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza |
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How completely thoughtless and cruel. This statement is even exceeds your normal level of stupidity. "“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” - Plato, ~380 BC |
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So he intervenes yet doesn't really intervene. Sort of a power steering four the soul. He has the power to turn the wheel fully but just assists you while you turn. Except when you see a little girl runs across the road, god runs our of power steering fluid and lets you squash the little girl under the wheels. Yes, that makes perfect sense. "“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” - Plato, ~380 BC |
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GoFish, I appreciate your honesty. I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m not trying to squash you under my feet, but I’m trying to get your attention. I’m sorry if you take offense to it. I apologize for somehow not getting my point across in a better way. You have caused no physical deaths that I’m aware of. But if you continue as you have been, then it is highly probable that you could destroy some person’s faith and only hope of salvation. Ignorance means there could be good intentions, but the damage is still done. That is my point. These parents had no heart of a murderer and neither do you. It probably terrified them and ripped their heart out when their child breathed its last breath. They were expecting a miracle and when that miracle didn’t come they kept waiting, tragically refusing the help that was at their doorstep. I have seen a small measure of what God can do. God is real, and He is the same today as He was yesterday. Yet we don’t put Him in a box and tell Him how to do His job. Neither do we measure God’s will by the quality and success of our prayers. We simply pray in faith, believing, listening for God’s guidance, and trust Him to meet our needs in His way, and not in our way. I prefer for God to do the healing and get the glory, but if He doesn’t heal as I expected, I will not refuse what help I have available. God wouldn’t want us to sit and watch our children suffer when we can get help for them. I believe these parents were greatly confused on this matter. Ignorance is not intentional, but it can cause real harm just the same. From what I have heard from you, you never established a real relationship or experienced God in a real way. I’m not putting you down. We are often victims of our environment up to a point. Possibly you were a deacon that passed the plate and decided financial matters. Possibly you played the game you thought everyone else played. Possibly you were under the impression that going to church each Sunday was what was important, and what constituted being a Christian. Have you ever known anyone personally that you thought had real faith and commitment to God, and saw the evidence of God working in their life? I’m not talking about outward piousness, but I’m talking about someone who lived his or her life in the reality of God’s presence. Were you ever inspired from the depth of your spirit to get to know God on a real and personal basis, because of what you saw in others? Did you ever hear wonderful testimonies of people who believed God, and stood on His promises, and how He came through for them? Have you sensed the presence of God moving in a service where people were truly worshiping and praising Him from their heart, and not simply singing a song? Somehow my friend I see you as a victim of outward religiosity without real substance. Your outlook on religion seems to fall from that perspective. I truly can understand it if that is what happened because it is commonplace today. Yet, there is more to knowing Christ than what you realize. |
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Not everything that happens in this life is God's will. This world is not the Kingdom of God. Often when people pray for a healing and they see no response to their prayer, they say it’s because it’s not God's will to heal. They then go to the doctor and do all they can in spite of God not wanting to heal them. Does that make sense? Of course not! God’s will cannot be judged by the success or the failure of our weak prayers. Friend, unanswered prayer is not necessarily because God refused to answer. Doubts, fears, unbelief, sin and selfishness hinder our prayers just like faith and commitment to God empowers our prayers. When people of faith pray, God moves. When David met Goliath in faith, God moved. When Joshua circled the walls of Jericho in obedience and in faith, God moved. Jesus over and over again said according to your faith be it done unto you. When we pray weakly without faith and confidence, our prayers are greatly hindered. When we pray believing that we receive, without doubt or fear, our prayers will be answered. It helps tremendously to know God’s will so that we can stand by faith on God’s promises. We find God’s will in His word. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We don’t blame God for unanswered prayer. Have you ever seen anybody in the bible do that? If God says no, He is able to say no. We should get to the place that we can hear Him when He speaks to us. We shouldn’t take if for granted He is saying no simply because our life and prayers have no power in them. I have not had a 100% success rate in my prayers. Some prayers were prayed foolishly for selfish reasons. Sometimes I was so distant from God that I lacked confidence and doubts flowed. For whatever the reason, my prayers have not always been successful. So I would not sit and watch my child suffer after I pray if it gets no better. I will instead get what help I can and continue to pray and seek God. If you fail to pray the prayer of faith and the Great Physician does not intervene, then take the child to another physician. It may well be because of God that those physicians are available. God does not want us to sit and watch our children suffer and die and refuse them help when we can get them help. That is definitely not God’s will. Anybody who believes that has no understanding of God and prayer. |
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Why do you care about that little girl? We're nothing more than a random assembly of molecules, driven by the need to survive and procreate. Those who believe in God and miracles are intellectually inferior, so the fact that their offspring won't be contaminating the gene pool is a good thing, right? Isn't that beneficial to the species? Isn't that natural selection in action? The more people like her and her parents that die off, the better future generations will be, right? If we're nothing more than intelligent primates driven by the laws of nature, then you shouldn't care about that little girl. You don't know her, you don't know her family, her living or dying has no impact on your ability to survive or pass down your genes. So why do you care that she died? "We can't screw it up any worse than they did." - Obama at a voter rally in Philadelphia. |
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Peter, it's good that you believe in God, but my friend these statements are not about the God I read about. Where did Jesus say He won't intervene anymore? Have you not read the book of Acts and how God performed many miracles at the hands of His apostles and even of a man who was appointed deacon at the Jerusalem church? Have you not read where Jesus said that it was better for Him to return to the Father so that we might recieve the Holy Spirit and be empowered by God. Have you not read where Jesus said those who believed on Him would perform the works that He did and even greater, because He went to His Father in heaven. Have you not read the epistle of James when he said the prayer of faith will save the sick, but to let him pray in faith without doubting. Friend, the word of God is full of promises for us today. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If we don't see God move it's not God's fault, but it's our fault. We have the same promises available to us that the early church had available to them. Jesus over and over again said according to your faith be it done unto you. Faith makes a big difference my friend. Doubts, fear, and unbelief work against prayer just as strongly as faith empowers prayer. There are laws in the spiritual realm just as there are laws in the natural. All things are possible to them who believe. But realistically, we are often weak in our prayer life and in our life in general. So any person sho sits back and expects a miracle but doesn't receive one, and allows their child to die instead of getting available help to them, are very ignorant concerning God's will. We can be thankful that often God has a way of blessing and reaching us even when we are weak. We are never without hope as long as we keep praying and keep believing. Persistence in prayer is in itself a sign of faith. This message has been edited. Last edited by: what4, |
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