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Here in Chicago, in areas where real crime is an issue, the local police are more concerned with enforcing the ordinance which prohibits people from loitering if front of bars over the smoking ban.

There is a simple solution to all of this!

If smokers embrace electronic cigarettes, then the issue of smoking bans will be mute. There is no second-hand smoke, no odor, no carcinogens, no CO2, and no mess like ashes, butts, etc. from electronic cigarettes. If smokers of tobacco cigarettes would switch their habit to a non-tobacco electronic cigarette, we would have no further need to further infringe on the personal freedoms of any one group. Whether you are a smoker, or a non-smoker, you should learn more about this technology.

If you are smoker, consider it as an option. You won't be inhaling all the chemicals and carcinogens that you currently do from your tobacco cigarette.

If you are a non-smoker, learn about the technology, and pass the information on to your friends who are smokers. The electronic cigarette is a win-win in so many ways.

You can learn all about this technology at my website, http://www.NoTobacco.net

Thank you.

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Originally posted by NoTobaccoNet:
There is a simple solution to all of this!

If smokers embrace electronic cigarettes, then the issue of smoking bans will be mute. There is no second-hand smoke, no odor, no carcinogens, no CO2, and no mess like ashes, butts, etc. from electronic cigarettes. If smokers of tobacco cigarettes would switch their habit to a non-tobacco electronic cigarette, we would have no further need to further infringe on the personal freedoms of any one group. Whether you are a smoker, or a non-smoker, you should learn more about this technology.

If you are smoker, consider it as an option. You won't be inhaling all the chemicals and carcinogens that you currently do from your tobacco cigarette.

If you are a non-smoker, learn about the technology, and pass the information on to your friends who are smokers. The electronic cigarette is a win-win in so many ways.

You can learn all about this technology at my website, http://www.NoTobacco.net

Thank you.

It is a shame that people continue to smoke where is has been banned, it's also a shame when people break the forum guidelines about advertising.

Government wants their cake and eat it to. I don't smoke but if your going to ban smoking then make it illegal to grow tobacco and sell smoking product. Nope can't loose the billions of dollars in tax revenue. Not that stupid!!!!!

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Originally posted by NoTobaccoNet:
There is a simple solution to all of this!

If smokers embrace electronic cigarettes, then the issue of smoking bans will be mute. There is no second-hand smoke, no odor, no carcinogens, no CO2, and no mess like ashes, butts, etc. from electronic cigarettes. If smokers of tobacco cigarettes would switch their habit to a non-tobacco electronic cigarette, we would have no further need to further infringe on the personal freedoms of any one group. Whether you are a smoker, or a non-smoker, you should learn more about this technology.

If you are smoker, consider it as an option. You won't be inhaling all the chemicals and carcinogens that you currently do from your tobacco cigarette.

If you are a non-smoker, learn about the technology, and pass the information on to your friends who are smokers. The electronic cigarette is a win-win in so many ways.

You can learn all about this technology at my website, http://www.NoTobacco.net

Thank you.

yeah there is just that small little issue with contamination of the ingredients from cheap Chinese suppliers. i think i;ll stick with lighting one up before i put that crap in my lungs.

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Originally posted by Dr. Pepper:
Government wants their cake and eat it to. I don't smoke but if your going to ban smoking then make it illegal to grow tobacco and sell smoking product. Nope can't loose the billions of dollars in tax revenue. Not that stupid!!!!!

Well said.

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Originally posted by NoTobaccoNet:
There is a simple solution to all of this!

If smokers embrace electronic cigarettes, then the issue of smoking bans will be mute. There is no second-hand smoke, no odor, no carcinogens, no CO2, and no mess like ashes, butts, etc. from electronic cigarettes. If smokers of tobacco cigarettes would switch their habit to a non-tobacco electronic cigarette, we would have no further need to further infringe on the personal freedoms of any one group. Whether you are a smoker, or a non-smoker, you should learn more about this technology.

If you are smoker, consider it as an option. You won't be inhaling all the chemicals and carcinogens that you currently do from your tobacco cigarette.

If you are a non-smoker, learn about the technology, and pass the information on to your friends who are smokers. The electronic cigarette is a win-win in so many ways.

You can learn all about this technology at my website, http://www.NoTobacco.net

Thank you.

This seems to be an advertisement to me, TD will not be happy with you.

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Originally posted by Fugly:

yeah there is just that small little issue with contamination of the ingredients from cheap Chinese suppliers. i think i;ll stick with lighting one up before i put that crap in my lungs.

Hmm..... ok, so what you are referring too is the TRACE that the FDA found in their HANDPICKED samples?..... and so you would rather continue to smoke a tobacco cigarette with some 4000 chemical and carcinogens, (including the SAME on found in the FDA's samples) as opposed to learning what a better option electronic cigarettes can be?

If that trace REALLY concerns you that much, then you wouldn't smoke your tobacco cigarette either, since it has that, plus another 3,999 or so chemicals too...

Brilliant examination of the situation there...... hmm... a trace found in "some" HANDPICKED samples, vs some 4000 in your tobacco cigarette..... yup, makes sense to me....

Here's the facts:

The electronic cigarette debate has become a politically charged debate, instead of being what it should be, a medical debate. The fact is, when you light your tobacco cigarette, you are combusting up to 4000 chemicals. The electronic cigarette FINALLY offers smokers an option where before there was none. Before, the smoker had only 2 choices, continue to smoke chemical laden tobacco cigarettes, or quit.... neither of which are acceptable solutions to a large percentage of smokers. Don't let political spin make a health decision for you. Learn the facts for yourself and make your own decision. Learn all about e-cigarettes, even the exact contents of e-cigarettes at NoTobacco.net http://www.NoTobacco.net . It could change your habit completely! Don't let Big Tobacco money squelch a better option! Learn the facts.

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Originally posted by Young Old Man:
This seems to be an advertisement to me, TD will not be happy with you.

Did you even bother to look at the site? Did you read any of the information presented there? I didn't think so.....

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it's also a shame when people break the forum guidelines about advertising.

Well, if it was just going to a forwarder, you might have a case.... Fact is, my site is approved by USAToday for their comments section, due to the fact that we provide information that is counter-point. We also post politely, and are able to debate.... as opposed to throwing insults and arguing (not implying that you are), Take a look at the information provided. The fact is, we are ANTI-TOBACCO.... we hate smoking just as much as you do..... The fact is, we just happen to provide our recommendation to those who are addicted to nicotine. The fact is, we stay on topic. Those facts, do not go against the user agreement.

Thank you for your concern,
NoTobacco.net

some info from medical sourced for anyone dumb enough to believe what thus nimrod is lying about. There is no such thing as a safer ciggy. they all suck.

E-cigarettes can increase nicotine addiction among young people and may lead kids to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death.
The products may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans.
Because clinical studies about the safety and efficacy of these products for their intended use have not been submitted to FDA, consumers currently have no way of knowing 1) whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use, or 2) what types or concentrations of potentially harmful chemicals, or what amount of nicotine, they are inhaling when they use these products.

I've just enjoyed a Camacho Triple Maduro. About fifteen bucks in a cigar store. If you don't want to breathe second hand smoke from that masterful creation, stay a mile or so away from my house. When they think they can make an e-Camacho Triple Maduro, it'll probably be time to blow a little cigar smoke in some faces for effect.

I wonder what would have happened if all those who purchased tickets, yourself included, asked for their money back....since the event was not enforcing a law.

Attendees could reasonably expect those attendees who were violating a law to be asked to leave. That would include those who were smoking. If the event hosts were not asking smokers in violation of law to leave the event, seems they would be financially responsible to those who attended expecting such laws to be enforced.

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Originally posted by Fugly:
some info from medical sourced for anyone dumb enough to believe what thus nimrod is lying about. There is no such thing as a safer ciggy. they all suck.

E-cigarettes can increase nicotine addiction among young people and may lead kids to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death.
The products may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans.
Because clinical studies about the safety and efficacy of these products for their intended use have not been submitted to FDA, consumers currently have no way of knowing 1) whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use, or 2) what types or concentrations of potentially harmful chemicals, or what amount of nicotine, they are inhaling when they use these products.

I would ask you to cite these harmful chemicals you speak of to support your position..... If it is propylene glycol that you are concerned about, I urge you to read this:

http://www.notobacco.net/Blog/?page_id=68

furthermore, review the list of ingredients of e-cigs, vs the APPROVED ingredients of tobacco cigarettes (available on my site)...... then ask yourself what is really going on here?

Here's whats really happening.... The electronic cigarette debate has become a politically charged debate, instead of being what it should be, a medical debate. The fact is, when you light your tobacco cigarette, you are combusting up to 4000 chemicals. The electronic cigarette FINALLY offers smokers an option where before there was none. Before, the smoker had only 2 choices, continue to smoke chemical laden tobacco cigarettes, or quit…. neither of which are acceptable solutions to a large percentage of smokers. Don’t let political spin make a health decision for you. Learn the facts for yourself and make your own decision. Learn all about e-cigarettes, even the exact contents of e-cigarettes at www.NoTobacco.net . It could change your habit completely! Don’t let Big Tobacco money squelch a better option! Learn the facts.

A lot of the chemicals in cigs are in the filter.... that is why I smoke non-filtered cigarettes(Camel primarily). After smoking these for a while, anytime I now smoke a filtered cig, the taste is just awful.
Smoking, like eating, drinking, or anything else, isn't deadly if done in moderation, and the smoker isn't a lazy bum. MODERATION.

If I smoke 2 packs a day....unhealthy.
If you drink 2 cases of Mountain Dew a day... unhealthy.
If you eat 7 Big Macs a day... unhealthy.
If you down 2 pints of Jack Daniels a day... unhealthy.
If you take a bottle of Tylenol a day... unhealthy.
If you lay in a tanning bed 60 minutes a day... unhealthy.

It's about MODERATION... if one smokes 5 to 10 cigs a day, eats somewhat healthy, drinks plenty of water and juice.... then they may lose a year of two of the end of their lives.... those are the bad years anyway. lol

No alarmism please.... that's the most annoying thing ever.