I know there is a thread in the news section or two, and I'm not here to war that war over the. Here is a good link. There are a few things that leap out at me.
First the shooter came prepared. He had enough ammo to reload. He brought at least two guns.

The shooter must have had some firearm training. In a shootout with a first responder(who was armed and we must conclude was an MP), he was able to wound her as well as be wounded.

He may have had conspirators.

This looks similar to the soldier who lobbed grenades into his officers tents before the invasion of Iraq.

This first responder was a civilian police officer.

The shooter was an officer, they received firearms training, including pistol training.

Even, doctors, who while classified as non-combatants, still receive pistol training, as a pistol is not classified as an offensive weapon under the Geneva convention.

Not arguing with you Interventor. But the idea that an Army doctor could swap shots with a trained police officer and come out on top is bit strange don't you think?

There is more to this than meets the eye.

There is certainly more to it than what is being told. One guy takes out 40+ adults with two handguns?? Pretty incredible to believe there was no prior planning. I have heard this morning that this guy's previous placement (Walter Reed?) was not trouble tree either. It is sad that this man who was entrusted to counsel sick and injured soldiers and help them "get their heads straight", was a sick and twisted individual who thought he could make a statement by ending these other people's lives. I hope he lives, so the state of Texas can put him to death and make an example of him.

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Not arguing with you Interventor. But the idea that an Army doctor could swap shots with a trained police officer and come out on top is bit strange don't you think?

There is more to this than meets the eye.

Extra, what is your extent of expertise involving Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine docs? It has been my experience that military docs sometimes have just as much, if not more, weapons training as their fellow non-medical personnel. Consider the Navy Corpsmen. Some Corpsmen have been called "Marines" by Marines they've served with in combat. If you'd like, just reply and I'll post a link to one such story.

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Originally posted by Tomme73:

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Originally posted by Extra260:
Not arguing with you Interventor. But the idea that an Army doctor could swap shots with a trained police officer and come out on top is bit strange don't you think?

There is more to this than meets the eye.

Extra, what is your extent of expertise involving Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine docs? It has been my experience that military docs sometimes have just as much, if not more, weapons training as their fellow non-medical personnel. Consider the Navy Corpsmen. Some Corpsmen have been called "Marines" by Marines they've served with in combat. If you'd like, just reply and I'll post a link to one such story.

Tomme,
Again, I'm not arguing, just trying to flesh out the situation. I understand that all military officers, irregardless of their position, undergo some form of military training, usually called OCS. In this training I'm sure there is training with handguns.

I think for my part there may be a bit of disconnect here. Do officers routinely have their shooting skills updated? Are they required to take some form of regular training that is designed to keep them from losing their marksmanship? If so, then it's not a suprise that this guy was so effective. If not, then was he honing his skills seperate from his military training.

That's all I'm asking. As a lay person so to speak on the military, It seems odd to me that he was so effective even in the face of trained respondents.

For the record, I was rejected from the military for being color blind, I did try to enlist, Air Force. My wife was in the army, we were almost a year at Fort Gordon. Many in my family have served in various military positions.

So, the conspiracy theorists are already swarming! Can't we wait the time for a proper investigation to be performed! Never under estimate the damage that a determined suicidal zealot can create. Berserkers can create a number of casualties quickly and can be extremely hard to bring down when the endorphins are flowing and/or the assailant is drugged up and feels no pain.

All military must qualify and re-qualify their weapons training annually. Those awaiting deployment must re-qualify before deployment. Even, I, as a civilian, qualified with a number of officers before I was posted to Iraq.

I am not saying this was a conspriracy, but I do believe this man was a fanatical Muslim, and will before this is all over, be tied with an extremist group. he more than likely acted alone, but I bet there are others like him out there who plan something similar. Never underestimate the power of a psycho, but also do not assume this was an instant rage and he just snapped. The man had a plan, and he executed it. It took premeditation. For that reason he deserves the death penalty whether it is the needle in Texas or the firing squad in the Army. I hope justice is served and an example is made of him.

One man with at least 2 loaded semi-automatic handguns going into a crowd of unarmed individuals can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. One shot can hit more than 1 person. My thanks goes to the lady that put him down even though she was shot as well. Muslims will publicly tell they are peaceful but where is the public condemnation from their leaders?

I for one am praying for the victims family and also the shooters family. It was a tragedy.

Yes, the 9 mm is a notorious penetrator. It can penetrate half a dozen bodies, if the bullet doesn't hit a bone.

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Yes, the 9 mm is a notorious penetrator. It can penetrate half a dozen bodies, if the bullet doesn't hit a bone.

The 9mm NATO loading is capable of "tumbling" after penetrating a certain distance. It might not be too damaging to the intended shootee, but it may be worse for innocent bystanders.

http://www.firearmstactical.co.../9mm%20US%20M882.jpg

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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:

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Yes, the 9 mm is a notorious penetrator. It can penetrate half a dozen bodies, if the bullet doesn't hit a bone.

The 9mm NATO loading is capable of "tumbling" after penetrating a certain distance. It might not be too damaging to the intended shootee, but it may be worse for innocent bystanders.

http://www.firearmstactical.co.../9mm%20US%20M882.jpg

I personnally like the 9mm myself, I recently looked at the 40cal, very nice, but a bit heavy.