"Death Panels"! That sound scary enough for ya? wink wink

If you were stupid enough to believe that sarah palin could or even should be president of the United States, you are no doubt stupid enough to believe her (and be afraid of) her scary discription of "end of life counciling", which is nothing new.
Actually, it should be considered an insult to her followers that she would treat them as imbeciles by lying to them and attempting to them into supportting her. Especially when her lies are so blatently obvious.
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It's alive! End-of-life counseling in health bill
by The Associated Press

Enlarge Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, right, looks on as House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Va. speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009, while holding a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference.

Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, right, looks on as House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Va. speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009, while holding a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference.
Enlarge Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner speaks behind a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009.

Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner speaks behind a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009.
Enlarge Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, left, accompanied by Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., carries a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009.

Associated PressHouse Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, left, accompanied by Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., carries a copy of the Democrat's version of the health care bill during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009.
text sizeAAAWASHINGTON October 30, 2009, 12:32 am ET
It's alive. The Medicare end-of-life planning provision that 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said was tantamount to "death panels" for seniors is staying in the latest Democratic health care bill unveiled Thursday.

The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death.

For years, federal laws and policies have encouraged Americans to think ahead about end-of-life decisions, and make their wishes known in advance through living wills and similar legal documents. But when House Democrats proposed this summer to pay doctors for end-of-life counseling, it touched off a wave of suspicion and anger.

Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, at the time a lead negotiator on health care legislation, told constituents at a town hall meeting they had good reason to question the proposal.

"I don't have any problem with things like living wills, but they ought to be done within the family," he said. "We should not have a government program that determines you're going to pull the plug on grandma."

Thursday, the sponsor of the provision said the barrage of criticism may have actually helped.

"There is nothing more basic than giving someone the option of speaking with their doctor about how they want to be treated in the case of an emergency," said Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore. "I think the outrageous and vindictive attacks may have backfired to help raise awareness about this problem, which is why it's been kept in the bill."

The legislation would allow Medicare to pay for a counseling session with a doctor or clinical professional once every five years. The bill calls for such sessions to be "completely" voluntary, and prohibits the encouragement or promotion of suicide or assisted suicide.

The counseling provision is supported by doctors' groups and AARP, the seniors' lobby. It was not included in health care bills passed by two Senate committees.

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Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach.

The whole bill is a glaring example of government overreach. The bill if passed will also be unconstitutional.

By the way b/w it's Palin not Palen.

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach.

The whole bill is a glaring example of government overreach. The bill if passed will also be unconstitutional.

There is no better example of OVERREACHING than the attempt by radical, wingnut Palinistas to characterize optional end-of-life counselling with one's chosen medical professional as anything even remotely resembling a "death panel." The lamentable inability of all-too-many Americans to see the clear difference between this counselling and the non-existent "death panels" is the only factor that has enabled the utterly silly proclamations concerning this "death panel" nuttiness to gather support. It makes about as much sense as the "birther" wackiness!

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It makes about as much sense as the "birther" wackiness!

Don't forget to add the "truther" wackiness in there too.

'end of life counseling'

Would that not be 'death' counseling?

By a group of professionals?

A 'panel' per se?

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optional end-of-life counselling with one's chosen medical professional as anything even remotely resembling a "death panel." The lamentable inability of all-too-many Americans to see the clear difference between this counselling and the non-existent "death panels" is the only factor that has enabled the utterly silly proclamations concerning this "death panel" nuttiness to gather support.

Maybe some of the czars beliefs and quotes concerning healthcare rationing and prioritizing healthcare based on a persons age and benefit to society adds to this. Reading the bills vague language and knowing the governments ability to interpret this vague language to suit their desires clouds the clear difference between counselling and inability to recieve needed care in a seniors later years. You can call it what you want.

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by ferrellj:

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Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach.

The whole bill is a glaring example of government overreach. The bill if passed will also be unconstitutional.

There is no better example of OVERREACHING than the attempt by radical, wingnut Palinistas to characterize optional end-of-life counselling with one's chosen medical professional as anything even remotely resembling a "death panel." The lamentable inability of all-too-many Americans to see the clear difference between this counselling and the non-existent "death panels" is the only factor that has enabled the utterly silly proclamations concerning this "death panel" nuttiness to gather support. It makes about as much sense as the "birther" wackiness!

Birthers, at worse, believe that perhaps three or four persons colluded to hide the origin of Obama's birth.

Left wing truthers fantacize that hundreds of government personnel colluded to murder 2,997 people, including their own. Now, who are the most deluded and dangerous?

The truthers believe all that in the face of many independant studies contrary to their beliefs. The truthers have yet to provide any credible evidence.

The birthers on the other hand could very easily be proven wrong by Obama producing his birth certificate. As of yet, no proof that they are wrong.

Which he easily could produce a copy of the original long form document since the Hawaii magistrate provided the tidbit that all he had to do was ask.

If you could prove something that easy wouldn't you? Unless there was something on there you didn't want anyone to see.