Obama gave up on missile defense in Europe with hopes that Russia would respond in kind. Unfortunately, No! Obama sent the bust of Churchill back to the UK. Perhaps, he should request one of Chamberlain.

"The armed forces are said to have carried out "war games" in which nuclear missiles were fired and troops practised an amphibious landing on the country's coast.

Documents obtained by Wprost, one of Poland's leading news magazines, said the exercise was carried out in conjunction with soldiers from Belarus.

The manoeuvres are thought to have been held in September and involved about 13,000 Russian and Belarusian troops.

Poland, which has strained relations with both countries, was cast as the "potential aggressor".

The documents state the exercises, code-named "West", were officially classified as "defensive" but many of the operations appeared to have an offensive nature.

The Russian air force practised using weapons from its nuclear arsenal, while in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, which neighbours Poland, Red Army forces stormed a "Polish" beach and attacked a gas pipeline."

More at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...ttack-on-Poland.html

Bloody aggressive Poles. First, they attacked Nazi Germany, inciting a defensive offensive. Now they appear they haven't learned their lesson, and are planning ot attack the Russians.

Kipling said it well.

Dane-Geld

It is alway a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbor and to say: --
"We invaded you last night -- we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld,
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
for fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

We never pay *any*-one Dane-geld
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!'"

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Obama gave up on missile defense in Europe with hopes that Russia would respond in kind.

I imagine Russia is having a pretty big laugh at Obama. Our enemies understand one thing - strength and weakness.

Well, Russia falls under the weak portion right now. There is no way the Russians would invade Poland, they are NATO now, and everyone from Hungary to Canada would be at war with Russia if an invasion came.

It is a war game. Period. We have them, too, sometimes with all of NATO. I would bet that they are not aimed at Algeria.

By linking the war game to the 70th anniversary of the invasion of Poland by the USSR, Putin and his KGB mafia sent a clear message.

I agree Russia's military is weak, the invasion of Georgia took weeks to prepare and was pretty much all they could do. That's why tactical nukes were involved in the war games.

Unfortunately, NATO is much weaker than the days of the Cold War as well.

Russia as a two continent power is in its waning days. However, a weaken power can be the most dangerous. Especially one with nukes scattered about the place.

anyone using nukes in a war would be Stupid, how many do you suppose would it take to poison the Air around the whole Earth with Radiation so everybody dies? not many, nobody wins a Nuke War. only Kim Jong il and the idiot from Iran are that dumb

we have Nuclear Subs that carry 26 Rockets that contain 14 warheads each, that is 364, one Sub can destroy Russia or China, then everybody else left in the World dies from Radiation, and if we destroyed China where will we buy all this Junk from?

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Originally posted by prince albert:
anyone using nukes in a war would be Stupid, how many do you suppose would it take to poison the Air around the whole Earth with Radiation so everybody dies? not many, nobody wins a Nuke War. only Kim Jong il and the idiot from Iran are that dumb

we have Nuclear Subs that carry 26 Rockets that contain 14 warheads each, that is 364, one Sub can destroy Russia or China, then everybody else left in the World dies from Radiation, and if we destroyed China where will we buy all this Junk from?

In case you missed it, they US used two A-bombs in WWII and the world is still here.

The war games used tactical nukes which are low yield and don't pump radiation up into the atmosphere, thus causing fallout. No one on this post advocated global nuclear war.

Per START, our Trident-2 missiles are limited to 8 per missile. SORT would limit them to 5 per missile.

No, one sub can't destroy nations with massive land areas such as Russia or China. Nor, would the resulting fall out poison the rest of the world. Modern large nukes are H-bombs which produce little radiation, themselves. Its the relatively small A-bomb trigger that produces the radiation.

Looks like Prince Albert is back in the can.

I got my information from a National Geographic Special where the Captain of the Sub was telling about the Missiles and how many Warheads each carried, the bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 20 kiliton, and the ones they have now is 35-40 Kiliton, by the way Ferrelj I dont mess with the can or the Bottle and I was seven years old when they dropped the first two Bombs on Japan, so I remember it very well. where were you?

Actually, the W-88 warhead on the Trident-2 has a yield of about 475 kilotons. This is rather small compare to the warhead of a Minuteman 3 ICBM of 1.5 megatons. Again, these are all H-bombs with a A-bomb as a trigger. That is where the radiation comes from. As you can see from the W-88 shown below, the uranium trigger explodes the plutonium bomb.

The tactical nukes the Russians deploy are A-bombs and are about 5 kilotons or less.

Warhead on the MMII was about 1.4MT. The warheads on the MMIII have considerably lower yield. MMIII and Peacekeeper used the Mk 12/12A RVs.

To allay concerns, the arming and fuzing systems can detonate warheads above, at, or below ground level. Atmospheric detonations are relatively clean; surface bursts suck up dirt, rock, bricks, and anything else and subject them to an intense neutron flux which makes them radioactive for a short time. The most devastating effect of a nuclear detonation is the electromagnetic pulse, which will pretty much fry every integrated circuit around, which means pretty much anything with a computer brain will go brain dead.

A nuclear explosion is no picnic (for that matter, neither is a natural gas explosion) but it's certainly not the end of the world. Back in the bad old days we would envision an incoming barrage of 10,000-15,000 warheads. We've managed to beat that particular genie back into its bottle. Of course, it didn't make the world substantially safer.

Of course they picked Poland. It is a bit of sand in their eyes for their new "Best Friend of the USA" status.

If anyone were to go nuclear on the world, I would bet it would be on the Subcontinent. India has a new fleet ballistic submarine. Those warheads are not headed towards Moscow, by any stretch of the imagination, nor are ours likely pointed there nowadays either.

Russia and US ICBMs are aimed at the south Pacific. Bad luck, if your in Palau and there's an accident! But, both's can be re-aimed in a minute.

India's are aimed at Pakistan and China, especially since China went off on a rant and claimed the India states of Anachal Pradesh and Sikkim as their own territory.

A bit longer than a minute, it would require SINS as well as a satellite fix of the boat's location to verify the new targets to be spun up.

The satellite fix is vital, as SINS is not relied upon 100%. They are only available at certain times of the day and require a stub antenna going out of the sail on a scope.

The order to launch is only delayed for however long it takes the decoders to decode and the XO and Captain to simultaneously verify and unlock their safes. From "Alert One, receiving flash traffic, recommend Battle Stations Missile" to the Captain and XO making their announcement to everyone is maybe 10 mins. or so. Or that is how it used to be, and the boat is proceeding to launch depth the entire time and warshots are loaded in all torpedo tubes. Might be faster on a Trident, with their 4 man staterooms and all such rubbish as DVD movies instead of reel to reel. I hear the pistachios remain.