..LOL....now this would make sense!

Betcha it will never happen with a crooked congress???

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...alth-insurance-plan/

If they would do that then I would support it.

Congress is the most corrupt organization that the US has, but, they're not that stupid.

Memo to Congress
From: The American People
RE: Health Care Legislation

You go first.

Sincerely,

The American People

I'll sign that!

What a waste of energy and a sad capitulation to the marxist revolution obama and the democrats are dragging America through.

Instead of doing this, why isn't anyone in congress riotously shouting in terms of the unconstitutional reality of the dems attempt to communize the health care industry.

That is what this is all about, not providing affordable health care to Americans. That is just a euphemism for communizing the health care industry.

Their goal is the communization of America.

If they happen to provide health care to several million who don't have it already then that is just a consequence of their actual goal.

It's totalitarianism. Give them absolute control over every living soul it's lonely in DC, there's no one left to torture.

"communizing the health care industry"? This is a common rant that members of the Lunatic Fringe give to each other, apparently intended to prop each other up. They actually believe that insurance companies and health care providers are the same thing. No doubt they also believe that auto insurance companies and the local body shop are one and the same and had the majority of Americans who defy their insane "teabagger logic" gave them auto repair issues instead of health care as a cover excuse to launch their hatefully un-American vindication rallies, it's unlikely that their irrational and baseless outcries would be anything different. They would still try to draw the same parallels with signs depicting the nazi holocaust and such, including not-so-subtle undertones of racism and bigotry which has become a standard hallmark of the extremist right-wing.
Clearly, most Americans find their blatent denial of the latter equally appalling and have totally rejected the entire twisted, anti-American message.
Undeniable evidence of this fact is everywhere.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.
The membership loss suggests dissatisfaction on the part of AARP members at a time when many senior citizens are concerned about proposed cuts to Medicare providers to help pay for making health care available for all. But spokesman Drew Nannis said it wasn't unusual for the powerful, 40 million-strong senior citizens' lobby to shed members in droves when it's advocating on a controversial issue.

AARP is strongly backing a health care overhaul, running ads to support it and hosting President Obama at an online forum recently to promote his agenda to AARP members. However, the group has not endorsed a specific bill and says it won't support a plan that reduces Medicare benefits.


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"We take stands on issues that are contentious, it's part of what we do," Nannis said. "And because we have so many members we'll always have a small percentage that disagree with us so strongly they feel they need to cancel membership."

The approximately 60,000 number represents members who specifically cited AARP's stance on the health overhaul debate in canceling their membership between July 1 and mid-August, Nannis said. He said that on average AARP loses some 300,000 members a month, but he couldn't say how many more members had quit for other reasons in that time period.

He said AARP gained some 400,000 new members during the same period and that 1.5 million members renewed their membership.
The membership loss figure was first reported Monday by CBS News.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

That guy. Who does he think he is? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This so-called health-care "reform" bill is a joke. It's more like a "let's see how big of a money pit we can dig before the American people finally get mad and do something about it" bill. If it was a good thing, the administration would not have tried to rush it through. They didn't want people to know what was really in it. Transparency, schmansparency.

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Originally posted by Blaknwite:
"communizing the health care industry"? This is a common rant that members of the Lunatic Fringe give to each other, apparently intended to prop each other up. They actually believe that insurance companies and health care providers are the same thing. No doubt they also believe that auto insurance companies and the local body shop are one and the same and had the majority of Americans who defy their insane "teabagger logic" gave them auto repair issues instead of health care as a cover excuse to launch their hatefully un-American vindication rallies, it's unlikely that their irrational and baseless outcries would be anything different. They would still try to draw the same parallels with signs depicting the nazi holocaust and such, including not-so-subtle undertones of racism and bigotry which has become a standard hallmark of the extremist right-wing.
Clearly, most Americans find their blatent denial of the latter equally appalling and have totally rejected the entire twisted, anti-American message.
Undeniable evidence of this fact is everywhere.

Nice hit piece of demonization and villification in response to my post.

Obviously you don't know what communism is. Oh yeah, you'll go over to wiki and c/p their definition to demonstrate how unrealistic the lofty goal of communism is and that it bares no relevence to todays Leftists in the democratic party.

You have labeled me as "Lunatic Fringe" but as usual this tells us more about you than your target. In reality, what you call the lunatic fringe are mostly constitutional conservatives. By definition, constitutional conservatives are centrists. That is the position on the sliding scale or political spectrum which our founding fathers put our form of govt. on.

What is that sliding scale?

Tyranny represents the far left of the spectrum and anarchy represents the far right of the spectrum.

Communism, Nazism, Fascism are far left political ideologies where govt controls every aspect of peoples lives.

Mob rule and anarchy are far right political ideologies where there is no govt and blind force rules.

Our founding fathers ingeniously placed our system in the center of this sliding scale of govt.

So people like myself who oppose fed. govt. meddling in nonenumerated duties of govt which are expressly granted the states or people to decide are actually centrists.

People who want to discard constitutional law and hand over authority to the fed. govt are the left wing extremists, and in some cases here in this forum, the lunitic fringe.


Now having said that, the long march of communism and how its take over of society is played out depends on the society itself and what they are able to achieve in each circumstance. So no text book definition you read is complete. And seeing how it can never be complete, in relation to our society and circumstance, you must not allow yourself to deny the reality that Obama and the dems are dragging America through a silent marxist revolution. And it's wholly unique from all other revolutions around the world compared to our situation.


I your clever auto ins./body shop analogy misses the point. The fed. govt. is expressly forbidden from controlling the auto industry, insurance industry, banking industry and the health care industry. I didn't say forbidden from regulating, I said forbidden from controlling. And that is what this administration is all about. He has surrounded himself with hard left marxists and he and they brag about it. Their goal is to take apart the free market system brick by brick and destroy it.

That is what the leftists goal of health care reform is all about. It's just another industry to centrally control. The next industry they are going to take over in this engineered crisis will be the airline industry.

They will have central control of the auto, health care, banking, insurance, education, communication, and travel industries before they are done. They will dominate more than half of the private industrial wealth in this nation. That is communism.

How can you deny this?

When I hear of things like withholding state monies IF they institute any type of tort reform, I KNOW this is a friggin' plan that will absolutely do nothing to create effective healthcare. This is simply a plan to help keep the Democrats in office by building more government and creating more waste. They know their time is limited and the people are catching on, which is why Peloi is so depserate to get this thru.

TeYates,
i have a question for you.
I am not suprised to see the AARP endorse the presidents plan, but I was suprised to see the AMA endorse it.
Question. Does the AMA still represent the rank and file physicians in this country, or has it like other organizations been co-opted by idealocrats?

quote:

Originally posted by reservation:
What a waste of energy and a sad capitulation to the marxist revolution obama and the democrats are dragging America through.

Instead of doing this, why isn't anyone in congress riotously shouting in terms of the unconstitutional reality of the dems attempt to communize the health care industry.

That is what this is all about, not providing affordable health care to Americans. That is just a euphemism for communizing the health care industry.

Their goal is the communization of America.

If they happen to provide health care to several million who don't have it already then that is just a consequence of their actual goal.

It's totalitarianism. Give them absolute control over every living soul it's lonely in DC, there's no one left to torture.

Reservation,
While I agree with you on the fact that government run healthcare is a bad idea, republicans must bear some blame for the debacle.
The crisis we are now experiencing was caused by the unbridled greed of the republican elite and Wall Street.

Corporations don't, and neaither should they, exist for the sole purpose of enriching CEOs and stockholders. Republicans don't like to acknowlege this, but they also have a duty to the country, society, and the employees.

Since Reagan, the business philosophy of Wall Stree has been that people have no value, profits are king, and CEOs are god.

Republicans have just as much to blame is we get communist healthcare in America.

Extra,
Good question.
The AMA represents less than 15% of the total number of physicians in the US. To that number, a large percentage are free memberships given to residents and medical students, who do not pay for membership, but are added to the rolls to inflate their numbers. Most of their members are academic doctors, who do not even practice in community medicine.
Their last debacle in healthcare came with their "approval" of HillaryCare in the early 90's. The number of doctors who left the AMA at that time should have told them something. Obama is using this AMA endorsement like it is something that all physicians approve of, and it is not. Actually the great majority see this as a scam. If you can get to www.sermo.com you will actually see the true face of community medical practice, and they are not happy about this at all.
In essence, the only way that they can pay for this is to cut medicare reimbursement, which was planned in 2010. When this happens, primary care through Medicare will essentially cease, specialty care will be non-existant.
In the backrooms, according the state medical societies, Obama has promised that this cut will not happen, which is why the AMA has endorsed the plan.
Now, so they are lying to either the American people who are being told it will save money, or they are lying to the group whose endorsement they are seeking. You cannot trust the numbers that are being given.
I will challenge you to find more than 10 physicians in the Shoals area who will admit to being a member of the AMA. They DO NOT REPRESENT the average community health physician, and it is a lie by the administration.

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Originally posted by Extra260:


Reservation,
While I agree with you on the fact that government run healthcare is a bad idea, republicans must bear some blame for the debacle.
The crisis we are now experiencing was caused by the unbridled greed of the republican elite and Wall Street.

Corporations don't, and neaither should they, exist for the sole purpose of enriching CEOs and stockholders. Republicans don't like to acknowlege this, but they also have a duty to the country, society, and the employees.

Since Reagan, the business philosophy of Wall Stree has been that people have no value, profits are king, and CEOs are god.

Republicans have just as much to blame is we get communist healthcare in America.

Well, I'm not one to argue with the logic that repubs are almost equally to blame.

I will argue your point of a repub elete synonomous with wall street greed. When talking about fundamentally changing America, which Obama brags about, the partisan concept of dem/repub doesn't apply as it does to you and me, the people on main street.

Wall Street/govt/corporations too big to fail is an industrial complex closed to you and me. It is a revolving door of interlocking Board membership. They rotate roles on top corp. boards and top govt. cabinet positions.

It should be no wonder to anyone that Bush/Clinton/Obama each draw their top directorship and advisors from the same wall street entities. Particularly Goldman Sacks. When their time is through in top cabinet positions in the White House they return to Goldman Sacks and the previouse Goldman Sacks execs take their turn as top cabinet member.

It has been a seemless transition for at least the last 30 years. There is not diff. between dems and repubs. I conceed.

But don't be mistaken that wall street greed is a republican only vice. Remember, dem/repub don't mean the same at that high level as it does to you and me.

Congress made it clear from the beginning that they will keep their existing plan, exempting themselves from this and most legislation they pass.